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    Senate Democrats abandon comprehensive climate bill

    Conceding they can't find enough votes for the measure, Senate Democrats will announce Thursday they are abandoning for now efforts to put together a comprehensive energy bill that would seek to limit greenhouse gas emissions, ending the immediate prospect for a key legislative priority of President Obama and congressional Democrats.

    Instead, Democrats, according to sources, will push for a more limited bill that would seek to increase liability costs that oil companies would pay following spills such as the one in the Gulf of Mexico and would create additional incentives for the purchase of both natural gas vehicles and products that can be used to reduce energy use in homes.
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    And no, it wasn't the GOP's fault, they didn't have enough Dem votes.
    Climate, changes. It takes a particularly uneducated population to buy into the idea that it's their fault climate is changing and further political solutions can fix it.



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    Re: Senate Democrats abandon comprehensive climate bill

    Americans long ago figured out this climate scare was the leavings of a large farm animal. Al Gore is now a cartoon instead of a Nobel Peace Prize winner. The climate change cow has left the barn.

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    Some day we might figure out that some things are more important than money.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Senate Democrats abandon comprehensive climate bill

    I hope to God so. We can't afford any more "change".
    "God is the name by which I designate all things which cross my path violently and recklessly, all things which alter my plans and intentions, and change the course of my life, for better or for worse."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Some day we might figure out that some things are more important than money.
    Why do you think this failed? Enough people figured out that there are more important things then money. (I.E. enriching the "green" lobby isn't worth the cost to their re-election chances)
    Climate, changes. It takes a particularly uneducated population to buy into the idea that it's their fault climate is changing and further political solutions can fix it.



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    Re: Senate Democrats abandon comprehensive climate bill

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    I hope to God so. We can't afford any more "change".
    Lizzie, people voted for change, well, by God they got it.
    Is it the fault of the disgusting politicians (usually ex lawyers) if their clients (the electorate) fail to ask even the most basic questions, such as what type or kind of change?
    True Obama came along and promised a disgruntled electorate 'Change'.
    Was it Obama's fault that the electorate believed change would mean the end to sleazy politics, that Government transparency did not actually mean transparency, that Gov. postings Bills on the web was not actually intended to mean that the electorate could read these bills in their entirety 2 or 3 days prior to being enacted into law.
    In reality the electorate needs to ask more questions with demand for more details of what these crooks intend doing to the electorate.
    The US actually needs greater observance by the elected elite to the Founders idea's of what the US was to become.
    At the moment we are little more than a version of any Socialist/dictatorial state.

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    Re: Senate Democrats abandon comprehensive climate bill

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Why do you think this failed? Enough people figured out that there are more important things then money. (I.E. enriching the "green" lobby isn't worth the cost to their re-election chances)
    I wouldn't expect you to understand. You're in the demographic that somehow got convinced that science has a liberal bias. The group of people that thinks that a few out of context emails sent between a small group of scientists at a single university somehow invalidates a century's worth of work by thousands of scientists in dozens of fields. That somehow there's some massive global conspiracy to... artificially raise the price of energy for some unspecified nefarious purpose. That all of this data about temperature changes, simple physics, and thousands of signs in nature itself could all be faked and nobody would notice somehow.
    There have been skeptics since the 1970's who have been saying all along "Oh it's just a natural cycle! We'll see cooling in the next couple of decades!" Well, 40 years later and it's still getting warmer. It's not the sun, we measure that. It's not the earth's orbit, that takes too long to change and we measure that too. It's not the continental configuration, ditto. There's powerful direct evidence that it's a change in the greenhouse effect: the radiation that normally escapes the earth is decreasing in exactly the spectrum that CO2 absorbs. Directly measured via satellite. A crapload of energy is being absorbed that wasn't being absorbed before. Where does that energy go?

    The misinformation spread by skeptics is too massive to fit in a single post. Ever watch that film, The Great Global Warming Swindle? Lies. As in direct falsification of data. Provable, because they cite data from NASA that is drastically different from NASA's actual data. They take the words of a scientist out of context to mean exactly the opposite of his intent: he's testified to this. They cut off graphs of solar data at 1980 because after that date the data directly contradicts ther claim.

    Guys like Anthony Watts go around photographing temperature stations, trying to prove that the stations are sited improperly and urban heat bubbles are creating a warming bias in the temperature record. What he fails to tell you is that even using only stations that his team labels as "good" or "best" leaves you with an identical temperature record.

    Anything the skeptics have come up with, there's direct scientific evidence to the contrary. Don't believe me? Bring your arguments down to the Environmental forum. I'll smack down every single one of them myself. And I'm just some bonehead on the internet.

    Global warming is real, it's a significant problem, and it's our freaking fault.
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    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Senate Democrats abandon comprehensive climate bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    I wouldn't expect you to understand. You're in the demographic that somehow got convinced that science has a liberal bias. The group of people that thinks that a few out of context emails sent between a small group of scientists at a single university somehow invalidates a century's worth of work by thousands of scientists in dozens of fields. That somehow there's some massive global conspiracy to... artificially raise the price of energy for some unspecified nefarious purpose. That all of this data about temperature changes, simple physics, and thousands of signs in nature itself could all be faked and nobody would notice somehow.
    There have been skeptics since the 1970's who have been saying all along "Oh it's just a natural cycle! We'll see cooling in the next couple of decades!" Well, 40 years later and it's still getting warmer. It's not the sun, we measure that. It's not the earth's orbit, that takes too long to change and we measure that too. It's not the continental configuration, ditto. There's powerful direct evidence that it's a change in the greenohouse effect: the radiation that normally escapes the earth is decreasing in exactly the spectrum that CO2 absorbs. Directly measured via satellite. A crapload of energy is being absorbed that wasn't being absorbed before. Where does that energy go?

    The misinformation spread by skeptics is too massive to fit in a single post. Ever watch that film, The Great Global Warming Swindle? Lies. As in direct falsification of data. Provable, because they cite data from NASA that is drastically different from NASA's actual data. They take the words of a scientist out of context to mean exactly the opposite of his intent: he's testified to this. They cut off graphs of solar data at 1980 because after that date the data directly contradicts ther claim.

    Guys like Anthony Watts go around photographing temperature stations, trying to prove that the stations are cited improperly and urban heat bubbles are creating a warming bias in the temperature record. What he fails to tell you is that even using only stations that his team labels as "good" or "best" leaves you with an identical temperature record.

    Anything the skeptics have come up with, there's direct scientific evidence to the contrary. Don't believe me? Bring your arguments down to the Environmental forum. I'll smack down every single one of them myself. And I'm just some bonehead on the internet.

    Global warming is real, it's a significant problem, and it's our freaking fault.
    yes you will justify and spin and decieve with the lies of GW propagandaists

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    Re: Senate Democrats abandon comprehensive climate bill

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    yes you will justify and spin and decieve with the lies of GW propagandaists
    And you will post this verbatim 40 times in a single thread. Every time your arguments are challenged, you jump to a new one like a schitzophrenic. I'm hoping to get some people who have actual scientific arguments to make instead of your conspiracy theories.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    And you will post this verbatim 40 times in a single thread. Every time your arguments are challenged, you jump to a new one like a schitzophrenic. I'm hoping to get some people who have actual scientific arguments to make instead of your conspiracy theories.
    While you ignore the corruption of the GW propagandists

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