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    Re: Senate Democrats abandon comprehensive climate bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Tex, a link would be good. A common tactic by skeptics is to distort what their source supposedly said. What you quote invokes the GISS, but I'd be interested to see your source and what they're quoting.

    Also, an increase in solar output 200 years ago changed the temperature 200 years ago. For about the last 50 years, solar output has had the long-term trend of being flat. Yet temperature has increased. Why is that?
    Yes, the sun has a significant impact on climate forcings. I already said that.
    Take your second graph. See how since ~1950 the sun has not increased its output significantly? Just a wobble up and down like usual, but no long-term increase. The temperature increase since 1950 has been faster than the increase prior to 1950.
    Before 1950: Slow warming, climbing solar output
    After 1950: Faster warming, steady solar output.

    And yet you conclude that the current trend is caused by the sun?

    Also, the "learning" I referred to was my own. I'm not sure how you concluded otherwise.
    Talk about distorting.......... the second graph is sun spot activity. First graph is solar output, and it has been going up steadily since 1950.

    So much for your powers of perception and dispassionate evaluation of the facts.
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    Ironically, I think a hole in the ozone layer would have cooled the earth slightly (very slightly). Ozone is a greenhouse gas, but it's not as powerful and not nearly as abundant as CO2 or water vapor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Senate Democrats abandon comprehensive climate bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Ironically, I think a hole in the ozone layer would have cooled the earth slightly (very slightly). Ozone is a greenhouse gas, but it's not as powerful and not nearly as abundant as CO2 or water vapor.
    What next? A new tax to limit water in the atmosphere?
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    Re: Senate Democrats abandon comprehensive climate bill

    Well, the newest twist I've heard to "global warming" is that the mean temperature has dropped approximately 1/2 to 1 degree over the past 100 years. I believe that's why they changed it to "climate shift" instead of "global warming". Too easy to debunk the latter, but these eco-terrorists still have to get their point across.

    These are the same guys who beat off vigorously to The Day After Tomorrow and yell "see, I told you it can happen".

    Do I want to save the environment? Sure. Do I want to completely uproot the global economy to do so? Hell no.

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    Re: Senate Democrats abandon comprehensive climate bill

    Republicans really shouldn't be calling out Liberals on intelligence, I mean a large portion of republicans actually believe the Earth is 6,000 years old so how could you expect them to believe in Global Warming?

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    Re: Senate Democrats abandon comprehensive climate bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Crunch View Post
    Talk about distorting.......... the second graph is sun spot activity. First graph is solar output, and it has been going up steadily since 1950.

    So much for your powers of perception and dispassionate evaluation of the facts.
    You should take another look. The first graph is of solar proxies. The bottom half is in fact sunspots. The top half conveniently stops its long-term trend line around 1980. Exactly the same place that every other skeptic likes to cut it off.

    Of course, Tex never listed his source so it's hard to dispute it directly.

    Quote Originally Posted by Crunch View Post
    What next? A new tax to limit water in the atmosphere?
    No. That would be stupid. Mankind could spit all of the water it wants into the atmosphere with no long-term effect. Why? Water vapor has a saturation point. Go beyond this, and it comes back down almost immediately in the form of rain. Ozone depletion has negative impacts far greater than the minor temperature variation it might cause.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Well, the newest twist I've heard to "global warming" is that the mean temperature has dropped approximately 1/2 to 1 degree over the past 100 years. I believe that's why they changed it to "climate shift" instead of "global warming". Too easy to debunk the latter, but these eco-terrorists still have to get their point across.

    These are the same guys who beat off vigorously to The Day After Tomorrow and yell "see, I told you it can happen".
    This twist of yours is downright retarded because the temperature has definitely increased in that time period. Even hardcore skeptics don't actually say the earth is currently getting colder. Where did you hear this???
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Senate Democrats abandon comprehensive climate bill

    isn't there a very direct correlation between global warming and the industrial revolution?? I guess it's all a big coincidence.

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    Re: Senate Democrats abandon comprehensive climate bill

    Quote Originally Posted by BCR View Post
    isn't there a very direct correlation between global warming and the industrial revolution?? I guess it's all a big coincidence.
    A very direct correlation....

    Greenland was first inhabited about 4,500 years ago. The earliest residents arrived from the west, but either left or died due to periods of exceptionally cold weather and/or poor hunting. Signs of their presence have been found near Maniitsoq. The region seems to have then been uninhabited for about 3,000 years.

    The next migration came from the east, following "Erik the Red" Thorwaldsson's exploration of the southern coast of Greenland between 982 and 985 AD. In 986, he led a group of Viking families from Iceland, and settled at Brattahlid, traditionally known as Qassiarsuk (route map). The climate at this time was very warm, much wamer than it is today, and crops were able to do well. It seems likely that the name "Greenland" was given to the country, not just as wishful thinkful, but because it was a climatic fact at that time.
    The History of Greenland - ExploreNorth

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    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Senate Democrats abandon comprehensive climate bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Crunch View Post
    A direct correlation....



    The History of Greenland - ExploreNorth

    that has nothing to do what I was getting at.




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