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    Re: Democrats may stop Bush-era tax cuts for wealthy from expiring

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    If you haven't noticed, the middle class is shrinking....thanks to Corporate Welfare and Greed that have turned those heroic middle class individuals into unforgiveably rich bastards
    Your post seemed to have gotten cut off. I fixed it for you.

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    Re: Democrats may stop Bush-era tax cuts for wealthy from expiring

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Let's turn everything into "class warfare."

    Why would any sane group of people vote to raise taxes during the worst recession we've seen since 1929? Anybody know? Don't bother telling me it's not a tax increase, because it is.

    If the inheritance tax (part of the issue) were based on 55% of anything over $500 instead of $1,000,000 as proposed, people would be goin' crazy. Confiscation of wealth. Nothing more.

    I wish more people would "get it." It's not all about your freakin' ox -- it's everybody's ox.
    This, it's the truth.
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    Re: Democrats may stop Bush-era tax cuts for wealthy from expiring

    @ The Dane -- If it isn't greed to covet those things one can't afford, what is it? Why would people finance a big screen at 29% interest and then complain about the interest rate? I will say it's everybody's greed for material things. Not just the middle class.
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    Re: Democrats may stop Bush-era tax cuts for wealthy from expiring

    Quote Originally Posted by The Dane View Post
    Haha, nope.


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    Re: Democrats may stop Bush-era tax cuts for wealthy from expiring

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    The middle class have it pretty good.
    Everyone should stop whining.
    The middle class is shrinking and economic mobility is being frozen out. The Middle class should have it pretty good, it should be a comfortable life style (since they are middle class). I have no quarrels with that. I have problems with policies these days which rob more from the middle class to give to the elite. Policies which endorse things such as corporate capitalism over free market capitalism which has the effect of freezing out economic mobility so that it becomes harder and harder to change your lot in life. There's plenty of problems which occur once the government starts pandering to the aristocracy.
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    Re: Democrats may stop Bush-era tax cuts for wealthy from expiring

    That link showed 14 economists...the majority of which were UC Berkely professors. SHOCKING!

    I wonder what THEIR annual salary is. I wonder what they contribute to the poor, not through tax donations but out of the goodness of their hearts.

    Their argument is a social agenda, not an economic agenda. If we dont take those peoples money we cant spend more money on social security, medicare, and other social spending programs.

    I wonder if you folks REALLY TRULY believe that the economic decisions are TRULY made just so the rich can get richer. I wonder if you accept that there may indeed be FUNDAMENTAL DIFFERENCES in how people see the most effective way to build an economy. I wonder if you ever stop to realize that MOST of the people that bitch and moan about the rich dont have jobs, or work in underemployment situations, have never built businesses nor taken personal risk in business ventures...have been by all measures what can only be described as utter failures in the realm of personal economics...and THESE people are the ones that think they should be able to decide Americas economic future. THESE people think they know best how to build an economy. Try building a personal budget first.

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    Re: Democrats may stop Bush-era tax cuts for wealthy from expiring

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    The middle class is shrinking and economic mobility is being frozen out. The Middle class should have it pretty good, it should be a comfortable life style (since they are middle class). I have no quarrels with that. I have problems with policies these days which rob more from the middle class to give to the elite. Policies which endorse things such as corporate capitalism over free market capitalism which has the effect of freezing out economic mobility so that it becomes harder and harder to change your lot in life. There's plenty of problems which occur once the government starts pandering to the aristocracy.
    Personal income may be shrinking to a minor degree but uncounted benefits have been increasing.
    SCHIP, tax breaks, etc.

    I don't buy it.

    Here's a clue to everyone, do the things that rich people do.
    Invest in stocks that pay dividends, so you can join the "elite."
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    Re: Democrats may stop Bush-era tax cuts for wealthy from expiring

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I don't know, they already took a bunch of my money and gave it to the rich ass banks and lenders who caused this mess in the first place. Seems to me that they're doing a fine job at it. And a quarter of a million dollars a year makes you wealthy. You may not be stupid filthy rich like the true aristocracy, but you're damned well off.
    It's one thing to be actively giving money to the heads of big banks/corporations, or making policies which give them an advantage. But it's another thing to just not take even more money from those making $250k a year (trust me, that much does not always mean you are "rich" by most peoples' definition of rich) when they already have the giant's share of the tax burden to begin with, and pay a higher portion of their income in taxes than everyone else to begin with.

    Really, raising taxes for everyone who makes over $250k will probably help the so-called aristocracy more than hurt them; the bottom part of that group, small business owners and such, will be significantly more burdened by that raise, and so the richest part of that group will have less competition from below to worry about.

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    Re: Democrats may stop Bush-era tax cuts for wealthy from expiring

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    I see. We should have let the financial system collapse, brought the lending industry to screaming halt, and encumbered all related transactions to build some trains that people won't use and to give them faster porn downloads to pass all the free time they'd be having without jobs.

    Stupid rich people!
    Done with the hyperbole? Some of the stop gaps could have still worked, everything which was done was unnecessary and expensive and benefited the elite rather than the individual. We can get more companies, that's not a problem. There's always some poor bastard out there looking to get rich who can make a company and rise up if he's allowed to.

    And if you don't think people would use an actual high speed rail system, then you're stupid. Because the high speed rail system can link Denver to Chicago in a matter of hours, there's not the security hassle you'll get on planes, it'll probably be cheaper too. It's great not only for tourists wanting to maybe spend a day or weekend in say New York City, but for business men too giving an alternative to driving or flying. And the majority of internet usage, BTW, isn't for porn. If you wish to be logical and rational and honest, we can talk about the differing ways government could have been used to have a better effect on lessening the effects of this recession. If you want to go on your hyperbole and intellectually dishonest path; have fun at it but you'll be ignored.
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    Re: Democrats may stop Bush-era tax cuts for wealthy from expiring

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    The middle class is shrinking and economic mobility is being frozen out. The Middle class should have it pretty good, it should be a comfortable life style (since they are middle class). I have no quarrels with that. I have problems with policies these days which rob more from the middle class to give to the elite. Policies which endorse things such as corporate capitalism over free market capitalism which has the effect of freezing out economic mobility so that it becomes harder and harder to change your lot in life. There's plenty of problems which occur once the government starts pandering to the aristocracy.
    The middle class IS shrinking. Those driven to succeed ARE succeeding. And many that have gotten used to mommy and daddy taking care of them didnt do **** to prepare themselves for the real world. And true enough...unemployment continues to climb...its not 10%...its MUCH higher...in some cities its in the 40% range. You dont FIX that by increasing debt and government spending and taxing people out of your economic market.

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