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Obama administration sending tax payer money to Kenya for abortion legislation

Since I don't like citing wiki for things like this, here is a link to the relevant part from (I think) the government

4:26 - Right to life

(1) Every person has the right to life.

(2) The life of a person begins at conception.

(3) A person shall not be deprived of life intentionally, except to the extent authorised by this Constitution or other written law.

(4) Abortion is not permitted unless, in the opinion of a trained health professional, there is need for emergency treatment, or the life or health of the mother is in danger, or if permitted by any other written law.

Goddamn obama - that baby killer. How could he possibly support a 200-page document that contains such a horrible section
 
It's being used to fund balance-of-power legislation.

Again, fta



America shouldn't support a constitution that establisches balance of power and a more stable democracy, just because it doesn't outlaw abortion?

Also, has anybody taken the time to look at the proposed constitution? It mentions abortion exactly once, and here's what it says



It's not even legalizing abortion - it's just refusing to ban it via the constitution

But, hey, if fox news has an inflammatory headline, there's got to be something to be angry about right?

**EDIT**
Link to source for proposed constitution text (wiki)

My problem with them sending the money to support legislation in another country still stands. I'll admit I probably should have at least skimmed it before claiming what the legislation did exactly. As I stated previously in this thread, we shouldn't be spending money on the legislation of other countries we we have 10's of trillions of dollars of debt here and people suffering here.
 
My problem with them sending the money to support legislation in another country still stands. I'll admit I probably should have at least skimmed it before claiming what the legislation did exactly. As I stated previously in this thread, we shouldn't be spending money on the legislation of other countries we we have 10's of trillions of dollars of debt here and people suffering here.

It's supporting a more democratic constitution, gotten by the support of the people. As opposed to the other ways we've helped the spread of democracy (sinking hundreds of billions into war), I'm perfectly fine with spending a couple of million to support a constitutional referrendum.

Do you also oppose the US's support of human right legislation, free trade legislation, anti-terrorism legislation, etc in other countries?
 
It's supporting a more democratic constitution, gotten by the support of the people. As opposed to the other ways we've helped the spread of democracy (sinking hundreds of billions into war), I'm perfectly fine with spending a couple of million to support a constitutional referrendum.

Do you also oppose the US's support of human right legislation, free trade legislation, anti-terrorism legislation, etc in other countries?

Yes, unless it's a country we went to war with recently and completely destroyed their government. I should note this doesn't mean that I supported the war.
 
I'm pro-life (anti abortion, whatever), but that's not the issue I have here. We have people starving in our country. We are 10's of trillions of dollars in debt and we're giving money to OTHER countries to INFLUENCE THEIR LEGISLATION?! Come on! Sure there's probably other instances, but I can't rely on the media to present those to me if they aren't based on a partisan issue.

Some times we do more than just send money....

About 50 parishioners were locked into the Assemblies of God church before it was set ablaze. They were mostly women and children. Those who tried to flee were hacked to death by machete-wielding members of a mob numbering 2,000.

The 2008 New Year Day atrocity in the Kenyan village Eldoret, about 185 miles northwest of Nairobi, had all the markings of the Rwanda genocide of a decade earlier.

By mid-February 2008, more than 1,500 Kenyans were killed. Many were slain by machete-armed attackers. More than 500,000 were displaced by the religious strife. Villages lay in ruin. Many of the atrocities were perpetrated by Muslims against Christians.

The violence was led by supporters of Raila Odinga, the opposition leader who lost the Dec. 27, 2007, presidential election by more than 230,000 votes. Odinga supporters began the genocide hours after the final election results were announced Dec. 30. Mr. Odinga was a member of Parliament representing an area in western Kenya, heavily populated by the Luo tribe, and the birthplace of Barack Obama's father. *snip*


Initially, Mr. Odinga was not the favored opposition candidate to stand in the 2007 election against President Mwai Kibaki, who was seeking his second term. However, he received a tremendous boost when Sen. Barack Obama arrived in Kenya in August 2006 to campaign on his behalf. Mr. Obama denies that supporting Mr. Odinga was the intention of his trip, but his actions and local media reports tell otherwise.

Mr. Odinga and Mr. Obama were nearly inseparable throughout Mr. Obama's six-day stay. The two traveled together throughout Kenya and Mr. Obama spoke on behalf of Mr. Odinga at numerous rallies. In contrast, Mr. Obama had only criticism for Kibaki. He lashed out against the Kenyan government shortly after meeting with the president on Aug. 25. "The [Kenyan] people have to suffer over corruption perpetrated by government officials," Mr. Obama announced.

"Kenyans are now yearning for change," he declared. The intent of Mr. Obama's remarks and actions was transparent to Kenyans - he was firmly behind Mr. Odinga.

HYMAN: Obama's Kenya ghosts - Washington Times

Not only was this a violation of the Logan Act, it led to 1000's of deaths and the dislocation of 100's of thousands of people.
 
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Yes, unless it's a country we went to war with recently and completely destroyed their government.

Well, at least you're consistent, even if I disagree with you. I think supporting one particular group's efforts to utilize its nation's democratic mechanisms is a perfectly fine way of advancing our interests abroad.

I should note this doesn't mean that I supported the war.

Of course, one does not imply the other.
 
Here's an idea ... (Maybe the White House is monitoring this site...:lol:)

Instead of spending so much money for stupid things like abortions... why not be PRO-ACTIVE, and have the government send over a few hundred million prophilactics, and fund the Kenyan government to pass a law that men have to use them or the women can turn them in for a tidy sum. I totally understand the need to cut down on bloated toddlers with flies on their faces requiring basic food and shelter as well as pregnancy's many Kenyan's cannot afford. I also understand that there's still a bit of a problem with something called AIDS in Africa ... I think my idea's what's called a "two-fer".

I bet it's cheaper too.
 
All things being equal, 99.9999999% of Americans could care less where the oil that fuels their cars originated. The so-called "addiction" to oil from the Middle East is in reality a desire to acquire oil at the lowest possible cost. To claim that our desire to acquire oil at the lowest possible cost is costing us orders of magnitude more money is just ridiculous.

Our desire should be to stop funding terrorists through our addiction to oil.
 
Here's an idea ... (Maybe the White House is monitoring this site...:lol:)

Instead of spending so much money for stupid things like abortions... why not be PRO-ACTIVE, and have the government send over a few hundred million prophilactics, and fund the Kenyan government to pass a law that men have to use them or the women can turn them in for a tidy sum. I totally understand the need to cut down on bloated toddlers with flies on their faces requiring basic food and shelter as well as pregnancy's many Kenyan's cannot afford. I also understand that there's still a bit of a problem with something called AIDS in Africa ... I think my idea's what's called a "two-fer".

I bet it's cheaper too.

Here is another idea: we could read the thread and learn this story has already been refuted.
 
Here is another idea: we could read the thread and learn this story has already been refuted.

But "America spends money on a constitution that restricts abortion," while more factually accurate, doesn't help their agenda as well as "America funds pro-abortion legislation" does.

Conservatives. Jesus Christ. When they don't have something to attack, they'll literally reverse reality to fabricate something to attack.
 
This thread is inappropriate for the "Breaking News" section.

Read the rules.
http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...king-news-guildelines-updated-10-29-09-a.html

Well let us see.
This article is NEWS.
It is from a well known leading NEWS OUTLET (Source)
It is within the 48 hour rule
Shucks it is also breaking NEWS.
Quote(White House Spent $23M of Taxpayer Money to Back Kenyan Constitution That Legalizes Abortion, GOP Reps Say
By Tess Civantos
Published July 22, 2010| FoxNews.com

So where does it break the rules?
 
Well let us see.
This article is NEWS.
It is from a well known leading NEWS OUTLET (Source)
It is within the 48 hour rule
Shucks it is also breaking NEWS.
Quote(White House Spent $23M of Taxpayer Money to Back Kenyan Constitution That Legalizes Abortion, GOP Reps Say
By Tess Civantos
Published July 22, 2010| FoxNews.com

So where does it break the rules?

I forgot to quote a paragraph or three.
 
Well let us see.
This article is NEWS.
It is from a well known leading NEWS OUTLET (Source)
It is within the 48 hour rule
Shucks it is also breaking NEWS.
Quote(White House Spent $23M of Taxpayer Money to Back Kenyan Constitution That Legalizes Abortion, GOP Reps Say
By Tess Civantos
Published July 22, 2010| FoxNews.com

So where does it break the rules?

It makes Barry look bad?
 
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Here is another idea: we could read the thread and learn this story has already been refuted.

Refuted or not, it is still a good idea.
 
My problem with them sending the money to support legislation in another country still stands. I'll admit I probably should have at least skimmed it before claiming what the legislation did exactly. As I stated previously in this thread, we shouldn't be spending money on the legislation of other countries we we have 10's of trillions of dollars of debt here and people suffering here.
Ya think?

Did you have a problem when the Bush admin. when they forced the Iraqis to procuce a constitution in so many days?
 
See what I said earlier.
Yes, unless it's a country we went to war with recently and completely destroyed their government.
Why does everyone assume I liked Bush?
 
See what I said earlier.

Why does everyone assume I liked Bush?

The same reason that if you have "conservative" or are a Republican - you must then be a racist, loved Bush, be a neo-con, cling to guns and GOD and are mental midget. The Democrats / Liberals / Progressives must compartmentalize, label and attack groups as well as generalize everyone. It's something they learned from groups like the NAACP - who just came out and described the Tea Party as racists...

Every read Alinsky's "Rules for Radicals"? It's a great read and is the playbook for attacking non-Progressives.
 
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