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    Re: Obama administration sending tax payer money to Kenya for abortion legislation

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    Yeah the American people are tired of being refered to as "The American people" to justify an argument.
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    Re: Obama administration sending tax payer money to Kenya for abortion legislation

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Oh for ****'s sake, conservatives. We can't even give ANY money to countries that perform abortions? We should abandon Kenya in their attempt to ratify a constitution because there's abortion in it?

    I like how one of the links describes it as "forced abortions."



    Uhm are you suggesting that human beings are less in kenya than they are in the US so we should care less about the slaughter of thier unborn?
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    Re: Obama administration sending tax payer money to Kenya for abortion legislation

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Uhm are you suggesting that human beings are less in kenya than they are in the US so we should care less about the slaughter of thier unborn?
    No, we're suggesting that this isn't "money used to fund abortions."
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    Re: Obama administration sending tax payer money to Kenya for abortion legislation

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    No, we're suggesting that this isn't "money used to fund abortions."
    No it's used to fund abortion legislation.

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    Re: Obama administration sending tax payer money to Kenya for abortion legislation

    Quote Originally Posted by Rightwingnutjob View Post
    No it's used to fund abortion legislation.
    It's being used to fund balance-of-power legislation.

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    The proposed constitution will curtail the vast powers of the Kenyan president, offering more balance among the different branches of government in an effort to bring order and stability to the political process of a nation often torn by tumultuous exchanges of power
    America shouldn't support a constitution that establisches balance of power and a more stable democracy, just because it doesn't outlaw abortion?

    Also, has anybody taken the time to look at the proposed constitution? It mentions abortion exactly once, and here's what it says

    The Proposed Constitution of Kenya in Sec 26(4) reiterates and reaffirms the current Kenyan penal code by stating: Abortion is not permitted unless, in the opinion of a trained health professional, there is need for emergency treatment, or the life or health of the mother is in danger, or if permitted by any other written law.
    It's not even legalizing abortion - it's just refusing to ban it via the constitution

    But, hey, if fox news has an inflammatory headline, there's got to be something to be angry about right?

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    Link to source for proposed constitution text (wiki)
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    Re: Obama administration sending tax payer money to Kenya for abortion legislation

    Since I don't like citing wiki for things like this, here is a link to the relevant part from (I think) the government

    4:26 - Right to life

    (1) Every person has the right to life.

    (2) The life of a person begins at conception.

    (3) A person shall not be deprived of life intentionally, except to the extent authorised by this Constitution or other written law.

    (4) Abortion is not permitted unless, in the opinion of a trained health professional, there is need for emergency treatment, or the life or health of the mother is in danger, or if permitted by any other written law.
    Goddamn obama - that baby killer. How could he possibly support a 200-page document that contains such a horrible section

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    Re: Obama administration sending tax payer money to Kenya for abortion legislation

    Quote Originally Posted by Kernel Sanders View Post
    It's being used to fund balance-of-power legislation.

    Again, fta



    America shouldn't support a constitution that establisches balance of power and a more stable democracy, just because it doesn't outlaw abortion?

    Also, has anybody taken the time to look at the proposed constitution? It mentions abortion exactly once, and here's what it says



    It's not even legalizing abortion - it's just refusing to ban it via the constitution

    But, hey, if fox news has an inflammatory headline, there's got to be something to be angry about right?

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    Link to source for proposed constitution text (wiki)
    My problem with them sending the money to support legislation in another country still stands. I'll admit I probably should have at least skimmed it before claiming what the legislation did exactly. As I stated previously in this thread, we shouldn't be spending money on the legislation of other countries we we have 10's of trillions of dollars of debt here and people suffering here.

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    Re: Obama administration sending tax payer money to Kenya for abortion legislation

    Quote Originally Posted by Rightwingnutjob View Post
    My problem with them sending the money to support legislation in another country still stands. I'll admit I probably should have at least skimmed it before claiming what the legislation did exactly. As I stated previously in this thread, we shouldn't be spending money on the legislation of other countries we we have 10's of trillions of dollars of debt here and people suffering here.
    It's supporting a more democratic constitution, gotten by the support of the people. As opposed to the other ways we've helped the spread of democracy (sinking hundreds of billions into war), I'm perfectly fine with spending a couple of million to support a constitutional referrendum.

    Do you also oppose the US's support of human right legislation, free trade legislation, anti-terrorism legislation, etc in other countries?

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    Re: Obama administration sending tax payer money to Kenya for abortion legislation

    Quote Originally Posted by Kernel Sanders View Post
    It's supporting a more democratic constitution, gotten by the support of the people. As opposed to the other ways we've helped the spread of democracy (sinking hundreds of billions into war), I'm perfectly fine with spending a couple of million to support a constitutional referrendum.

    Do you also oppose the US's support of human right legislation, free trade legislation, anti-terrorism legislation, etc in other countries?
    Yes, unless it's a country we went to war with recently and completely destroyed their government. I should note this doesn't mean that I supported the war.

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    Re: Obama administration sending tax payer money to Kenya for abortion legislation

    Quote Originally Posted by Rightwingnutjob View Post
    I'm pro-life (anti abortion, whatever), but that's not the issue I have here. We have people starving in our country. We are 10's of trillions of dollars in debt and we're giving money to OTHER countries to INFLUENCE THEIR LEGISLATION?! Come on! Sure there's probably other instances, but I can't rely on the media to present those to me if they aren't based on a partisan issue.
    Some times we do more than just send money....

    About 50 parishioners were locked into the Assemblies of God church before it was set ablaze. They were mostly women and children. Those who tried to flee were hacked to death by machete-wielding members of a mob numbering 2,000.

    The 2008 New Year Day atrocity in the Kenyan village Eldoret, about 185 miles northwest of Nairobi, had all the markings of the Rwanda genocide of a decade earlier.

    By mid-February 2008, more than 1,500 Kenyans were killed. Many were slain by machete-armed attackers. More than 500,000 were displaced by the religious strife. Villages lay in ruin. Many of the atrocities were perpetrated by Muslims against Christians.

    The violence was led by supporters of Raila Odinga, the opposition leader who lost the Dec. 27, 2007, presidential election by more than 230,000 votes. Odinga supporters began the genocide hours after the final election results were announced Dec. 30. Mr. Odinga was a member of Parliament representing an area in western Kenya, heavily populated by the Luo tribe, and the birthplace of Barack Obama's father. *snip*


    Initially, Mr. Odinga was not the favored opposition candidate to stand in the 2007 election against President Mwai Kibaki, who was seeking his second term. However, he received a tremendous boost when Sen. Barack Obama arrived in Kenya in August 2006 to campaign on his behalf. Mr. Obama denies that supporting Mr. Odinga was the intention of his trip, but his actions and local media reports tell otherwise.

    Mr. Odinga and Mr. Obama were nearly inseparable throughout Mr. Obama's six-day stay. The two traveled together throughout Kenya and Mr. Obama spoke on behalf of Mr. Odinga at numerous rallies. In contrast, Mr. Obama had only criticism for Kibaki. He lashed out against the Kenyan government shortly after meeting with the president on Aug. 25. "The [Kenyan] people have to suffer over corruption perpetrated by government officials," Mr. Obama announced.

    "Kenyans are now yearning for change," he declared. The intent of Mr. Obama's remarks and actions was transparent to Kenyans - he was firmly behind Mr. Odinga.
    HYMAN: Obama's Kenya ghosts - Washington Times

    Not only was this a violation of the Logan Act, it led to 1000's of deaths and the dislocation of 100's of thousands of people.
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