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    Re: Harry Reid: Auto Bailout Probably Saved Ford

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    I'm not attacking Ford, I'm attacking this lame defense of Harry Reid's commentary that the Bailout probably saved Ford. Boo's logic is weak.
    mason is right....ford did indirectly benefit from the bailout of the other two, because the bailout helped to keep the existing supply chain intact...if the other 2 went under, they would have taken quite a few suppliers with them, suppliers whom supplied all 3, ford, gm, chrysler. if those suppliers went under, where does ford get its parts? if ford can't get parts, ford can't make cars, if ford can't make cars, for can't sell cars, if ford can't sell cars, ford closes up shop.

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    Re: Harry Reid: Auto Bailout Probably Saved Ford

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    mason is right....ford did indirectly benefit from the bailout of the other two, because the bailout helped to keep the existing supply chain intact...if the other 2 went under, they would have taken quite a few suppliers with them, suppliers whom supplied all 3, ford, gm, chrysler. if those suppliers went under, where does ford get its parts? if ford can't get parts, ford can't make cars, if ford can't make cars, for can't sell cars, if ford can't sell cars, ford closes up shop.
    Ford had a demand for parts.

    Do you people REALLY believe that the suppliers, seeking to keep making money, wouldn't restructure for Ford? The fallacy of the argument is that there is a limited resource (parts suppliers) that was too big to fail.

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    Re: Harry Reid: Auto Bailout Probably Saved Ford

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    SEN. HARRY REID (D-NV): "Isn't it a good thing today in America that we have an automobile manufacturing sector? If it had been up to them [Republicans], General Motors would be gone. If it were up to them, Ford Motor Company would probably be gone. Chrysler definitely would be gone."

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    Re: Harry Reid: Auto Bailout Probably Saved Ford

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Ford had a demand for parts.

    Do you people REALLY believe that the suppliers, seeking to keep making money, wouldn't restructure for Ford? The fallacy of the argument is that there is a limited resource (parts suppliers) that was too big to fail.

    Business, like Nature, abhors a vacuum.
    i'm afraid you don't understand, its not as simple as a 'restructuring'...i work for a part supplier, and we typically bid outwards of up to 3yrs on jobs, and spend several months working the 'bugs' out of the process to make good parts before a new part for us goes into full production....sample parts are produced, sent back to the customer for approval, several test runs are done to make sure we are producing a 'consistent' parts....alot of time is put into setting up the jobs to run good parts, and is not something as simple as throwing the tooling in and saying 'GO!!!'.

    Also part suppliers are different in what they make/produce....they are not 'cookiecutter'

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    Re: Harry Reid: Auto Bailout Probably Saved Ford

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    i'm afraid you don't understand, its not as simple as a 'restructuring'...i work for a part supplier, and we typically bid outwards of up to 3yrs on jobs, and spend several months working the 'bugs' out of the process to make good parts before a new part for us goes into full production....sample parts are produced, sent back to the customer for approval, several test runs are done to make sure we are producing a 'consistent' parts....alot of time is put into setting up the jobs to run good parts, and is not something as simple as throwing the tooling in and saying 'GO!!!'.

    Also part suppliers are different in what they make/produce....they are not 'cookiecutter'

    And I'm telling YOU that parts suppliers would have adjusted. Would it have been a flawless transition? No, but it's like the Part Supply flow would have ended with the demise of Chevy and GM. New companies would have cropped up, old ones would adjust. You act as if the situation is completely inflexible, unable to adjust to change.
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    Re: Harry Reid: Auto Bailout Probably Saved Ford

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    i'm afraid you don't understand, its not as simple as a 'restructuring'...i work for a part supplier, and we typically bid outwards of up to 3yrs on jobs, and spend several months working the 'bugs' out of the process to make good parts before a new part for us goes into full production....sample parts are produced, sent back to the customer for approval, several test runs are done to make sure we are producing a 'consistent' parts....alot of time is put into setting up the jobs to run good parts, and is not something as simple as throwing the tooling in and saying 'GO!!!'.

    Also part suppliers are different in what they make/produce....they are not 'cookiecutter'

    Can you give us a few examples of parts that are made for all three that would have gone out of business as a result of GM and Chrysler going under, and include how the hell a GM part is used in a Ford?


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    Re: Harry Reid: Auto Bailout Probably Saved Ford

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Can you give us a few examples of parts that are made for all three that would have gone out of business as a result of GM and Chrysler going under, and include how the hell a GM part is used in a Ford?


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    The premise of this "Ford benefited" is that the part suppliers create parts for all three companies, and if Chevy and GM went under these companies would have been unable to readjust to just supplying for Ford and thus without the wisdom of Obama Ford would have been left with no parts for it's CARS!

    Which is patently absurd to say the very least.
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    Re: Harry Reid: Auto Bailout Probably Saved Ford

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    The premise of this "Ford benefited" is that the part suppliers create parts for all three companies, and if Chevy and GM went under these companies would have been unable to readjust to just supplying for Ford and thus without the wisdom of Obama Ford would have been left with no parts for it's CARS!

    Which is patently absurd to say the very least.

    You're right...Wouldn't a bankruptcy only have been a restructure for these companies first off? And even if they did disappear, doesn't this country have a history of some other company filling the void?

    To try and say that Ford who did things honorably would suffer if the others went under is indeed absurd.


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    Re: Harry Reid: Auto Bailout Probably Saved Ford

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    And I'm telling YOU that parts suppliers would have adjusted. Would it have been a flawless transition? No, but it's like the Part Supply flow would have ended with the demise of Chevy and GM. New companies would have cropped up, old ones would adjust. You act as if the situation is completely inflexible, unable to adjust to change.
    when the majority of these part suppliers provide parts to all 3, taking away the business that gm, chrysler supplied, would have crippled these suppliers, forcing many to shut their doors. these suppliers close, and ford isnt getting any parts either. even if a handful survived, plant capacity would likely become an issue, as you can only produce so many parts, so fast.

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    Re: Harry Reid: Auto Bailout Probably Saved Ford

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Can you give us a few examples of parts that are made for all three that would have gone out of business as a result of GM and Chrysler going under, and include how the hell a GM part is used in a Ford?


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    apparently either you didnt read, or didnt understand the post.....if you take away a sizable chunk of business from the suppliers, many would go out of business....nowhere did i say anything about gm parts being used in fords, or vice versa.

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