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    Re: White House apologizes to ousted official

    All that says is that ACORN was cleared in one investigation. It leaves the details blurry as to why, and mentions the "unedited tape" as being "less clear" without providing any examples, or more importantly, the tape itself.

    There was without a doubt a some fishy stuff going on in ACORN, and nobody was looking into it. Even if half of what came out is false, that's still an improvement over its past lack of coverage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    This is known as "shoot the messenger".
    All Breitbart did was provide tapes. What "the media" was supposed to do about this, I don't know. Their job, supposedly, is to report what happened objectively, which would mean just showing the actual tapes. To not report them because they don't like the guy who provided it would be a gross violation of media ethics.
    Are your standards that low? I think you made Edward Morrows roll in his grave.

    Reporter sees tape, report should be asking questions. It does not take an Einstein to pick up the phone, and dial the NAACP or the woman in question. That's what good reporters should do. Freakin' Fox had a field day with this knee-jerking smear and they should be absolutely ashamed. Same for the White House that should have known better. What's that saying? Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Well those who fired her without any shred should hang their heads over this.

    Incidentally, Breitbart is the kind of investigative journalist that Bob Woodward only dreams of himself as, and the world needs more people like him. And you'd have to prove that every single tape he provided regarding ACORN was fabricated/manipulated/taken out of context before you'd have a good argument that he didn't do a better job at shedding light on a seedy organization than any other so-called journalist.
    I am a fan of Woodward, and my personal judgement would be that he would have never posted such a video without asking any questions. He has a lot more integrity than that. As for ACORN being seedy, yes you do think that. Why? Because you are a victim of this bull**** propaganda.
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    No men are anywhere, and Im allowed to go in, because Im the owner of the pageant and therefore Im inspecting it, Trump said... Is everyone OK? You know, theyre standing there with no clothes. Is everybody OK? And you see these incredible looking women, and so I sort of get away with things like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    Are your standards that low? I think you made Edward Morrows roll in his grave.

    Reporter sees tape, report should be asking questions. It does not take an Einstein to pick up the phone, and dial the NAACP or the woman in question. That's what good reporters should do. Freakin' Fox had a field day with this knee-jerking smear and they should be absolutely ashamed. Same for the White House that should have known better. What's that saying? Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Well those who fired her without any shred should hang their heads over this.
    Well someone did exactly what you said, because now not only is the woman's defense of her actions known, but so is the words of the wife of the farmer himself. But information comes as it comes - and to withhold reporting on what is definitely a noteworthy news incident to wait for all the facts to be put together would be an undeniably unethical thing to do. The facts never all come out at once, and the news is reported as they come out. That is what always happens, and it is what happened here. First they thought there was just the video, then they found the woman, then other sources... etc. They just reported what they knew, as they knew it - what they should do; again, if they know something, there is no excuse for not reporting it. There is nothing "the media" did wrong here.

    I am a fan of Woodward, and my personal judgement would be that he would have never posted such a video without asking any questions. He has a lot more integrity than that. As for ACORN being seedy, yes you do think that. Why? Because you are a victim of this bull**** propaganda.
    It was a pretty well-known fact since far before Breitbart came into the picture that ACORN was at least to some level a sketchy, corrupt organization. The disgusting thing isn't that Breitbart tried to investigate it, it's that nobody else did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    Well someone did exactly what you said, because now not only is the woman's defense of her actions known, but so is the words of the wife of the farmer himself. But information comes as it comes - and to withhold reporting on what is definitely a noteworthy news incident to wait for all the facts to be put together would be an undeniably unethical thing to do. The facts never all come out at once, and the news is reported as they come out. That is what always happens, and it is what happened here. First they thought there was just the video, then they found the woman, then other sources... etc. They just reported what they knew, as they knew it - what they should do; again, if they know something, there is no excuse for not reporting it. There is nothing "the media" did wrong here.



    It was a pretty well-known fact since far before Breitbart came into the picture that ACORN was at least to some level a sketchy, corrupt organization. The disgusting thing isn't that Breitbart tried to investigate it, it's that nobody else did.

    Dav, she was vilified without knowing the whole story. That should have NEVER happened. If all the information is not clear, it's important to let it's viewers know don't you think? I saw some footage of some pundit going rabid on Fox yesterday afternoon... it was disgusting and plain wrong. If you can't see that, your standards are really low.
    No men are anywhere, and Im allowed to go in, because Im the owner of the pageant and therefore Im inspecting it, Trump said... Is everyone OK? You know, theyre standing there with no clothes. Is everybody OK? And you see these incredible looking women, and so I sort of get away with things like that.

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    Re: White House apologizes to ousted official

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post

    It was a pretty well-known fact since far before Breitbart came into the picture that ACORN was at least to some level a sketchy, corrupt organization. The disgusting thing isn't that Breitbart tried to investigate it, it's that nobody else did.
    That's what you think because you don't have all of the facts and have been mislead. Have they been without fault? Of course not. But from what I have read, there was nothing shady about the organization as a whole. BTW, even Breitbart admits that he was duped by O'Keefe. Tsk, tsk.
    No men are anywhere, and Im allowed to go in, because Im the owner of the pageant and therefore Im inspecting it, Trump said... Is everyone OK? You know, theyre standing there with no clothes. Is everybody OK? And you see these incredible looking women, and so I sort of get away with things like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    Dav, she was vilified without knowing the whole story. That should have NEVER happened. If all the information is not clear, it's important to let it's viewers know don't you think? I saw some footage of some pundit going rabid on Fox yesterday afternoon... it was disgusting and plain wrong. If you can't see that, your standards are really low.
    But it there was no indication until (pretty soon) afterwards that there was more to the story. Given that, I see nothing wrong with having had an opinion on it that later facts would turn around... and it really isn't pundits' job to do much more than give their opinion. But what I thought you were talking about when you referred to "media" was non-pundits who were supposed to report the actual news... which, no less than usual at least, they did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    But it there was no indication until (pretty soon) afterwards that there was more to the story. Given that, I see nothing wrong with having had an opinion on it that later facts would turn around... and it really isn't pundits' job to do much more than give their opinion. But what I thought you were talking about when you referred to "media" was non-pundits who were supposed to report the actual news... which, no less than usual at least, they did.
    We are going full circle here. If you want to give carte blanche to the media for reaching conclusions from unchecked news stories, then you have low standards.

    Me, I don't want any news organization to make something out of nothing. If only part of the breaking story is checked, report that part, but inform the audience that more is being investigated. Do NOY make any conclusions until all right people are questioned. That's the way I want my information.
    No men are anywhere, and Im allowed to go in, because Im the owner of the pageant and therefore Im inspecting it, Trump said... Is everyone OK? You know, theyre standing there with no clothes. Is everybody OK? And you see these incredible looking women, and so I sort of get away with things like that.

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    Re: White House apologizes to ousted official

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Obviously Fox is neither fair nor balanced nor reliable.
    Apparently, neither is the Obama admin.

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    Re: White House apologizes to ousted official

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    Apparently, neither is the Obama admin.
    At least the WH can belly up and say it was wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    Apparently, neither is the Obama admin.
    Agreed. A jellyfish has more spine.

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    At least the WH can belly up and say it was wrong.
    I do give them credit for that. I have not seen Fox retractions regarding ACORN, and I don't expect them to do so here.
    No men are anywhere, and Im allowed to go in, because Im the owner of the pageant and therefore Im inspecting it, Trump said... Is everyone OK? You know, theyre standing there with no clothes. Is everybody OK? And you see these incredible looking women, and so I sort of get away with things like that.

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