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    Re: USDA Official Saying She Didn't Give 'Full Force' of Help to White Farmer resigns

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    2 points...

    1-even in that 00:01:20 worth of clip there is redemption
    2-you admittedly pass judgement based on THAT???

    I guess I could throw in the third point...the farmers wife who has come to her defense or the 4th...that comparing the judgement of and condemnation of this woman to the NAACPs incorrect declaration of 'the Tea Party' doesnt exactly cast you in the most positive of lights. but really...whats the use...
    So why would the White House demand she resign immediately?


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    Re: USDA Official Saying She Didn't Give 'Full Force' of Help to White Farmer resigns

    Quote Originally Posted by Mellie View Post
    So why would the White House demand she resign immediately?
    Because they dont THINK...they kneejerk react and worry about politics. Its really hard to scream and point fingers at people and call them racist if its your side being racist.

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    Re: USDA Official Saying She Didn't Give 'Full Force' of Help to White Farmer resigns

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Because they dont THINK...they kneejerk react and worry about politics. Its really hard to scream and point fingers at people and call them racist if its your side being racist.
    I tend to agree with you. They reacted without thinking because they wanted the story to go away very quickly. However, I think what they did just made it worse.


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    Re: USDA Official Saying She Didn't Give 'Full Force' of Help to White Farmer resigns

    Quote Originally Posted by Mellie View Post
    So why would the White House demand she resign immediately?
    I think their is a lot more to this story.
    I found an opinion piece very interesting. Here are just a few questions about Ms. Sherrod that deserve answers:

    Was Ms. Sherrod's USDA appointment an unspoken condition of her organization's settlement?
    How much "debt forgiveness" is involved in USDA's settlement with New Communities?
    Why were the Sherrods so deserving of a combined $300,000 in "pain and suffering" payments -- amounts that far exceed the average payout thus far to everyone else? ($1.15 billion divided by 16,000 is about $72,000)?
    Given that New Communities wound down its operations so long ago (it appears that this occurred sometime during the late 1980s), what is really being done with that $13 million in settlement money?


    Here are a few bigger-picture questions:

    Did Shirley Sherrod resign so quickly because the circumstances of her hiring and the lawsuit settlement with her organization that preceded it might expose some unpleasant truths about her possible and possibly sanctioned conflicts of interest?
    Is USDA worried about the exposure of possible waste, fraud, and abuse in its handling of Pigford?
    Did USDA also dispatch Sherrod hastily because her continued presence, even for another day, might have gotten in the way of settling Pigford matters quickly?




    Read more at the Washington Examiner: Shirley Sherrod's Disappearing Act: Not So Fast | Washington Examiner

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    Re: USDA Official Saying She Didn't Give 'Full Force' of Help to White Farmer resigns

    Quote Originally Posted by Mellie View Post
    I tend to agree with you. They reacted without thinking because they wanted the story to go away very quickly. However, I think what they did just made it worse.
    yaaaaa think?

    not to worry...I expect Barry will be inviting people over to the back yard and share a Red Stripe and say that they had talked and after careful consideration, everyone else was wrong and lets just go back to business as usual...

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    Re: USDA Official Saying She Didn't Give 'Full Force' of Help to White Farmer resigns

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    2 points...

    1-even in that 00:01:20 worth of clip there is redemption
    2-you admittedly pass judgement based on THAT???
    As I said, if this were a white person and the farmer black and the group was some White advocacy group and the story came out - the exact same result would have happened. So in that, I think whether it was an knee jerk reaction or not - the result would have been the same.

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    I guess I could throw in the third point...the farmers wife who has come to her defense or the 4th...that comparing the judgement of and condemnation of this woman to the NAACPs incorrect declaration of 'the Tea Party' doesnt exactly cast you in the most positive of lights. but really...whats the use...
    Point 3 is irrelevant ... point 4 may be the main motive behind this... which makes my view entirely suspect... but I really can't change anything until I get new information and the only information that will suffice is the full video of the speech at the NAACP.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: USDA Official Saying She Didn't Give 'Full Force' of Help to White Farmer resigns

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    As I said, if this were a white person and the farmer black and the group was some White advocacy group and the story came out - the exact same result would have happened. So in that, I think whether it was an knee jerk reaction or not - the result would have been the same.

    Point 3 is irrelevant ... point 4 may be the main motive behind this... which makes my view entirely suspect... but I really can't change anything until I get new information and the only information that will suffice is the full video of the speech at the NAACP.
    IF this were a white person...how would YOU respond? The same way you are now? I somehow doubt it.

    BTW...the video is out. Its about 43 minutes long. The part in question starts at about the 20 minute mark.
    Last edited by VanceMack; 07-20-10 at 09:44 PM.

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    Re: USDA Official Saying She Didn't Give 'Full Force' of Help to White Farmer resigns

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    IF this were a white person...how would YOU respond? The same way you are now? I somehow doubt it.
    That's your problem not mine. Racist is racist - given the same amount of information - as I've said I don't know... half a dozen times in this thread since the beginning... the same thing should have happened.

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    BTW...the video is out. Its about 43 minutes long. The part in question starts at about the 20 minute mark.
    Thanks for not posting it.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: USDA Official Saying She Didn't Give 'Full Force' of Help to White Farmer resigns

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    That's your problem not mine. Racist is racist - given the same amount of information - as I've said I don't know... half a dozen times in this thread since the beginning... the same thing should have happened.

    Thanks for not posting it.

    Kinda relevant actually...
    Farmer's wife says fired USDA official helped save their land; USDA will not rehire *| ajc.com

    and good lord...let me teach you how to use this cool thing called "Google"...it will blow your mind...

    Video: Watch the Shirley Sherrod Speech in Full | NAACP

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    Re: USDA Official Saying She Didn't Give 'Full Force' of Help to White Farmer resigns

    After hearing her side and watching the full video, the N.A.A.C.P. said Tuesday that it had been “snookered” into believing Ms. Sherrod had acted with bias.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/21/us/21sherrod.html
    I'm confused. Since Ms. Sherrod spoke at an NAACP banquet, how was it "snookered"? If they presumed she acted with bias, should they not have concluded that when she made her speech? Likewise, if she didn't act with bias, then why did they belatedly ask for her removal?
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