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    Re: USDA Official Saying She Didn't Give 'Full Force' of Help to White Farmer resigns

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Dunno - to me what she did at the time and what she conveyed to the NAACP was racist. She told a racist story. Now that it comes out she became friends with the farmer - that doesn't lessen or excuse anything. It was 1968 - one can say well --- it was the "times". Perhaps. And knee jerk by this White House? Absolutely - they wouldn't know a measured or thoughtful response if it bit them in the ass.

    There is a moral to the story though: Don't tell racist stories to groups of people where you have even a chance of being put on video. You can and will be held accountable for your past misdeeds.

    Remember: Macaca? No one ever heard of the word before ... but it was enough to cause outrage. And let's put this into perspective and turn it around. Let's say she was not black but was white - and these were poor black farmers. The same thing would have occurred - she would have been fired and the big outrage would have played out in the media just as it is now. In fact, this might be the most even handed and un-racist act, now that I think about it, the White House has divvied out. This would have happened if she was white, and it happened the same way that she was black. Hm... I may have to think about this some more and I might take back what I said about the White House.

    There is nothing to play out other than excited posters commenting about it. Are you struggling here to figure out a way to make the White House look bad in this situation? What do you think should happen to someone who admitedly betrays the public trust and commits an act that is motivated only by racism?

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    Re: USDA Official Saying She Didn't Give 'Full Force' of Help to White Farmer resigns

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    There is a moral to the story though: Don't tell racist stories to groups of people where you have even a chance of being put on video. You can and will be held accountable for your past misdeeds.
    That's a terrible moral to the story. We should be congratulating this woman on preaching racial understanding and trying to end racial divisiveness. It's bravery.

    I believe Palin's daughter was going around at one point talking to teenagers about her experience of getting pregnant young and unmarried and was trying to do good, and I think you'll agree with me that this would be an example of learning from one's mistakes and teaching other's from your mistakes. That move was brave on her part too.

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    Re: USDA Official Saying She Didn't Give 'Full Force' of Help to White Farmer resigns

    I think maybe the Conservatives have been scammed.
    This woman probably should not have been fired. We didn't look at the whole picture before jumping to conclusions.
    Then the WH jumps to the same conclusion (or did they) and insists this woman pull her car over and resign immediately because the tape was going to be on Glenn Beck last night.

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    Re: USDA Official Saying She Didn't Give 'Full Force' of Help to White Farmer resigns

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    That's a terrible moral to the story. We should be congratulating this woman on preaching racial understanding and trying to end racial divisiveness. It's bravery.
    wrong
    it's bigotry
    she spoke before the NAACP bragging that she failed to use the full force of her office to assist a farmer. the reason she cited for refusing to extend the full force of her USDA office to aid that citizen, was his race. he was white
    there is nothing brave about that public official boasting of her racial discrimination as a government official

    I believe Palin's daughter was going around at one point talking to teenagers about her experience of getting pregnant young and unmarried and was trying to do good, and I think you'll agree with me that this would be an example of learning from one's mistakes and teaching other's from your mistakes. That move was brave on her part too.
    another example of hypocrisy
    seeing that she gave birth to a bastard child, she obviously did not practice abstinence or other safe sex methods, yet she gets paid to promote abstinence to other unmarried young women
    brave? hell no
    evidence of an opportunist? certainly. we see the values you embrace and endorse: bigotry and hypocrisy ... bravery is nowhere to be found
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    Re: USDA Official Saying She Didn't Give 'Full Force' of Help to White Farmer resigns

    Quote Originally Posted by invisiblgorilla View Post
    As I've said elsewhere: She admitted to doing a bad job therefore she should be fired or resign regardless of any racial issues involved.

    HOWEVER, she was responding to what she considered insulting and racist behavior on the part of that farmer. How many of you would do your best to help a racist who was insulting you?

    Now she wasn't very specific about what caused her to believe that he was talking down to her. If she was just reading into his actions, then yeah she was being racist, but I don't have enough info to say.
    Racism is racism. They both deserved what they got. If you let one off the hook then it is a double standard. The white guy was in the wrong first, the black lady was in the wrong second. They are both still in the wrong though.

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    Re: USDA Official Saying She Didn't Give 'Full Force' of Help to White Farmer resigns

    Quote Originally Posted by Ziggae_6 View Post
    There is nothing to play out other than excited posters commenting about it. Are you struggling here to figure out a way to make the White House look bad in this situation?
    No, I actually think they did the right thing. This is what would have happened had the woman been white, or it being a white man. So it might be the best thing the WH has done.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ziggae_6 View Post
    What do you think should happen to someone who admitedly betrays the public trust and commits an act that is motivated only by racism?
    If they're obviously racist in their comments and speaking to a large group of people - they probably should be fired. Which is exactly what happened.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: USDA Official Saying She Didn't Give 'Full Force' of Help to White Farmer resigns

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    That's a terrible moral to the story. We should be congratulating this woman on preaching racial understanding and trying to end racial divisiveness. It's bravery.
    Ahh... no.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: USDA Official Saying She Didn't Give 'Full Force' of Help to White Farmer resigns

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    I think maybe the Conservatives have been scammed.
    This woman probably should not have been fired. We didn't look at the whole picture before jumping to conclusions.
    Then the WH jumps to the same conclusion (or did they) and insists this woman pull her car over and resign immediately because the tape was going to be on Glenn Beck last night.
    If this were a white man or a white woman - they'd be fired in a nano-second. I think Obama got it right this time.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: USDA Official Saying She Didn't Give 'Full Force' of Help to White Farmer resigns

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    I think maybe the Conservatives have been scammed.
    This woman probably should not have been fired. We didn't look at the whole picture before jumping to conclusions.
    Then the WH jumps to the same conclusion (or did they) and insists this woman pull her car over and resign immediately because the tape was going to be on Glenn Beck last night.
    I appreciate you being willing to look at the facts and be objective.

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    Re: USDA Official Saying She Didn't Give 'Full Force' of Help to White Farmer resigns

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    she spoke before the NAACP bragging that she failed to use the full force of her office to assist a farmer.
    You have the facts incorrect, bubba. She worked for a private advocacy group back in the 1980s, when this happened. She was talking about a personal learning experience she had in 1986 when she realized that SHE HERSELF was being a racist, and that because of this experience, she came to understnd that poverty had no color, that it affects blacks and whites alike.

    There is NO EVIDENCE that she has acted inappropriately in her appointment to USDA.

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