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Airport body scanners reveal all, but what about when it's your kid?

Because it's Arabs/Muslims that are committing 90% of the terrorist acts?

let me ask you this, if white supremists are executing terrorist attacks on airliners, are you going to strip search a 90 y/o black woman? I wouldn't. How 'bout you?

It doesn't matter if 90% of them are Arab or Muslim.

What sort of message are we sending if we racially profile? You said it yourself earlier that if we don't scan kids, it tells the terrorists to plant bombs on children. So if we implement racial profiling, all they have to do is hide bombs on a white person/any minority that won't be profiled. Do you not realize how wrong it is to say "OK Arabs/Muslims, here is your line. You are all going to be strip searched because of race and religion. It's all your fault because you share the same race and religion with the majority of terrorists." We need to treat people as individuals and not collectively punish people from any race or religion. That's what Hitler did to the Jews under Nazi German rule. He profiled them all as being troublemakers, and wound up killing over 6 million of them.

By the way, what about Arab/Muslim children? Should they also be searched because of their race and faith? Why are white kids better that Arab ones?
 
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It matters alot. If you're not a parent, then there's no way you can see things from a parent's perspective. It's easy to say, "it's no big deal", when it's not your kid. If you were an actual parent, you would know what I mean.

More like you've lost the logical argument, and your trying to use an appeal to emotion to discredit my points. You're freaking out like there going to hire registered sex offenders for this job, also I doubt the people running the cameras have access to the hard drive where they are stored on. Also I remember hearing that all the pictures taken that day are deleted at the end of the day. Not sure about that though, would make sense though.
 
It doesn't matter if 90% of them are Arab or Muslim.

What sort of message are we sending if we racially profile? You said it yourself earlier that if we don't scan kids, it tells the terrorists to plant bombs on children. So if we implement racial profiling, all they have to do is hide bombs on a white person/any minority that won't be profiled. Do you not realize how wrong it is to say "OK Arabs/Muslims, here is your line. You are all going to be strip searched because of race and religion. It's all your fault because you share the same race and religion with the majority of terrorists." We need to treat people as individuals and not collectively punish people from any race or religion. That's what Hitler did to the Jews under Nazi German rule. He profiled them all as being troublemakers, and wound up killing over 6 million of them.

By the way, what about Arab/Muslim children? Should they also be searched because of their race and faith? Why are white kids better that Arab ones?

That if you're a part of a certain group, that has been committing crimes, you should get your **** together?

Like I said, you're not going to strip search a 90 y/o black maw-maw, if you're looking for white supremist terrorists.
 
More like you've lost the logical argument, and your trying to use an appeal to emotion to discredit my points. You're freaking out like there going to hire registered sex offenders for this job, also I doubt the people running the cameras have access to the hard drive where they are stored on. Also I remember hearing that all the pictures taken that day are deleted at the end of the day. Not sure about that though, would make sense though.

No, I'm trying to point out that you don't have the same perspective that I do, since you're not a parent.

I have 3 kids and 3 step kids. 4 girls and two boys. Yes, this is an issue for me. Since you don't have kids, you can't tell me that my concerns aren't genuine.

If someone posted one of my girls's ***** on Youtube, then I would have to hunt that ****er down and kill him/her. I don't want to have to spend the rest of my life in prison, because of someone else's stupidity. So, yeah, this is a big deal to me. You can't understand; you're not a parent.
 
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That if you're a part of a certain group, that has been committing crimes, you should get your **** together?
Ok, so law abiding citizens who happen to be Arab or Muslim don't have their **** together?
Like I said, you're not going to strip search a 90 y/o black maw-maw, if you're looking for white supremist terrorists.
You have yet to address the points in my post.
 
No, I'm trying to point out that you don't have the same perspective that I do, since you're not a parent.

I have 3 kids and 3 step kids. 4 girls and two boys. Yes, this is an issue for me. Since you don't have kids, you can't tell me that my concerns aren't genuine.

I'm not saying there not genuine. I'm saying that they are based on fear, and not facts.
 
I'm not saying there not genuine. I'm saying that they are based on fear, and not facts.

Not based on facts? It's not a fact that this kind of ****, sooner or later, ends on the internet?
 
Not based on facts? It's not a fact that this kind of ****, sooner or later, ends on the internet?

Um, yeah, it's not a fact, it's a fear.
 
Since when were airport security pedophiles? Since when would nobody notice them taking camera footage of just the little girls' and boys' body scans?
Also, I don't care when the doctor sees my pecker and usually neither do the parents. Or are people so paranoid that anyone around a naked child is a potential pedophile?
Most people don't freak at seeing a naked child.
 
Um, yeah, it's not a fact, it's a fear.

Tell me, what information isn't leaked out on the internet these days? It may be fear but it's legitimate fear for some. A USB drive and 3 minutes will get thousands perhaps hundreds of thousands of scans out on the internet. You know sooner or later it will happen - the interwebz = the wild wild west after all.
 
Tell me, what information isn't leaked out on the internet these days? It may be fear but it's legitimate fear for some. A USB drive and 3 minutes will get thousands perhaps hundreds of thousands of scans out on the internet. You know sooner or later it will happen - the interwebz = the wild wild west after all.

But there are very simple safeguards to prevent something like that from happening. The people viewing the photos aren't even in the same room as the people going through the scans, you could also have the HDD password protected, with only certain high ranking airport officials having the password. Also deleting said HDD at the end of each day helps. Yeah, it could happen, but it is not a big enough risk to not have them implemented because of this.
 
The images on the scanner do not possess that level of detail.

edit: although anything you can possibly think of, SOME sick ****er out there has a fetish for it. "Lumpy grey humanoids" is somebody's thing.

Rule 43, ftw.

I have a 16 year old, I have very little concern about these scanners. It's not like her body image would be identifiable as her. The other thing is...it's just a human body. Why are Americans so freaked out by our own bodies?

Some of you people spend way too much time thinking about "perverted things that people could do."
 
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Rule 43, ftw.

I have a 16 year old, I have very little concern about these scanners. It's not like her body image would be identifiable as her. QUOTE]

Really, and what do you have to go by besides what the TSA and DHS release to the public, images that are purposefully manipulated for public consumption? If they were so low detail as people here claim, then why do they need to censor them at all, after all, they are just a stick figure with found items according to the DHS/TSA.

The other thing is...it's just a human body. Why are Americans so freaked out by our own bodies?

Some of you people spend way too much time thinking about "perverted things that people could do."

Freaked out aout our own bodies? Or is it more likely that we don't want to lose that control over who sees us nude or not? Somebody could not object to posing nude in a whatever, for example, but oppose this not because of any prudishness or lack therefore, but because in the former you are conscenting, but in the latter you have no control over it - even if you went for the patdown instead, they'd try to guilt trip / pressure you into taking the body imaging anyways. These people aren't cops, doctors, techncians trained to use such technology, yet we are entrusting them with responsibilities trained technicians hold to do things that cops aren't even allowed to do [strip search, whether digitally or physically]. Why doesn't that scare people?

When we give people who may not even have a GED, who is part of an agency with a long line of not ony expressing severe incompetence [ask me, and I'll get going on ranting about THAT] but hiring and defending criminals who steal from passengers and plant stuff on passengers as a "joke" - when we give them more rights than trained medical professionals and even more power than that we give REAL COPS - then we have a reason to be worried. I don't know what kind of fantasy world those BLINDLY defending this [as opposed to agreeing with the idea but not the implementation per-se] wholehartedly live in, but it seems like they have not done much research beyond the feel good press and word of the TSA and DHS, not looking into the words of medical experts, opinions from constitutional attorneys, nor looking at the people who manufactured the damned things for facts about it / how it works, before defending these things to death. It genuinely scares me that this lack of research goes on before spouting off opinons on something that could have a major impact not just on privacy but on our own physical health.

Your Star, it is a fact that information leaks. Look at Wikileaks, and you'll see that even information that seemed unlikely to get leaked [source, security related reasoning] can get leaked. It is a matter of time.


[And if anybody HONESTLY believes that these things can't save / store / transmit images, take a class in computer architecture, or even just a simple class on how computers work, to see just how wrong this idea is]
 
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I'm a frequent flier who racks up around 50k miles a year on Delta. I've flown in and out of most of the large airports around the U.S. I've had ZERO problems with TSA. The TSA reps I've encountered in my travels since 2001 have been, without exception, friendly, helpful, and courteous. I know the TSA screeners in my local airport on a first name basis, I see them several times a month, and the same crew has worked there for years (it's a small airport).

On the other hand, I have seen some passengers be extremely hostile, belligerent and rude---mainly because they, the passengers, can't seem to figure out how to follow simple instructions, such as not packing a bottle of liquid or jell larger than 3.2 ounces. In our local airport, I once watched TSA tackle a guy for packing a large quantity of marijuana in his carry-on bag.

Now, I understand that there are problems with any organization, but these are non-identifying body scans. It's funny how your post is full of the same fear we've seen above from Apdst--without any actual substantiation or evidence.

Let me just explain: your word doesn't count for **** with me. You're anonymous internet guy who has provided nothing but a rant.

Your post reminds me of the reviews I read online about a hotel I stayed at recently. The review stated that the desk staff and other personnel were discourteous and needed customer service training. While we checked into the hotel, I watched a drunken douchebag loudly berate the desk clerk. She told him, in no undertain terms, what his options were.

I'm sure that he then went online and wrote a review of how hostile the hotel staff were. But I've found that if you treat people with courtesy, more often than not, you get the same in return.

Our stay at that hotel, btw, was wonderful--largely because the staff--in all areas of the hotel--were wonderful.

I have a feeling that the same small group of discourteous assholes end up being treated like discourteous assholes, and then run around bitching about it.

My experiences are significantly different from what you appear to be saying. Given the lack of data or evidence associated with your claims, I'll go with my experiences.
 
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If someone posted one of my girls's ***** on Youtube, then I would have to hunt that ****er down and kill him/her. I don't want to have to spend the rest of my life in prison, because of someone else's stupidity. So, yeah, this is a big deal to me. You can't understand; you're not a parent.

If I were you, and given what I know about teenagers these days (I have one in high school, and one in middle school), I'd suggest that your biggest worry should be that she will text or post someone a picture of her ***** all on her own. That scenario is about 6 million times more likely to occur than the scenario that's got you all twisted and addlepated. Also, you live in S. Louisiana. Her odds of getting knocked up in high school are about 1 in 3. That would involve her SHOWING HER ***** to a teenaged boy, up close and personal like.

This is a great example of a typical behavior engaged in by parents....hyperbole about perceived risks, lack of awareness about the ACTUAL risks.
 
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That if you're a part of a certain group, that has been committing crimes, you should get your **** together?

Like I said, you're not going to strip search a 90 y/o black maw-maw, if you're looking for white supremist terrorists.

apdst - which one of these is the Arab:

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Good luck 'racially profiling' them.
 
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I'm a frequent flier who racks up around 50k miles a year on Delta. I've flown in and out of most of the large airports around the U.S. I've had ZERO problems with TSA. The TSA reps I've encountered in my travels since 2001 have been, without exception, friendly, helpful, and courteous. I know the TSA screeners in my local airport on a first name basis, I see them several times a month, and the same crew has worked there for years (it's a small airport).

Which exactly explains why you've had little to no problems [nor have I when going out of the small airport near me]. If you traveled out of the likes of JFK, EWR, SFO, LGA, TPA, MIA - big airports in of themselves for the most part, you'll more likely than not get a much more varied set of experiences [like I have] than smaller airport.


I've done a LOT of traveling across the country, airports big and small, and have seen a lot.
 
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Which exactly explains why you've had little to no problems [nor have I when going out of the small airport near me]. If you traveled out of the likes of JFK, EWR, SFO, LGA, TPA, MIA - big airports in of themselves for the most part, you'll more likely than not get a much more varied set of experiences.

What part of "I've flown in and out of most of the large airports around the U.S." did you miss? Yes, I leave from a small southern airport, but I land in large, URBAN areas because of the work I do...in the past month: LAX, RDU, CLT, and DCA. Reading is an important skill.

Wouldn't you agree?
 
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I've done a LOT of traveling across the country, airports big and small, and have seen a lot.

Wow. Thanks for the head pat. I'm sure glad I have a big strong traveling man like you on this board to set me straight about traveling, and the ins and outs of dealing with TSA. You men, you know EVERYTHING.

Maybe someday they'll let women on planes, too. And not just as wives, either!
 
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But there are very simple safeguards to prevent something like that from happening. The people viewing the photos aren't even in the same room as the people going through the scans, you could also have the HDD password protected, with only certain high ranking airport officials having the password. Also deleting said HDD at the end of each day helps. Yeah, it could happen, but it is not a big enough risk to not have them implemented because of this.
There are serious safeguards for credit card #'s, music, movies, health records, etc... that doesn't make them safe nor does it prevent them from leaking on the internet. There is no safeguard that would prevent pictures from getting out on the internet if someone wants them to be there. Safeguards are to make it more difficult - but that does not mean impossible. By admitting no safeguard is 100% effective 100% of the time means that it's not a matter of IF these pictures will be posted - but WHEN.
 
No, I'm opposed to body scanners. I think racial profiling will be much more effective, or 100% security, where every single passenger is physically searched.

The scanners are the Libbos's solution to racial profiling. I thought they were bad idea, from the git-go, because, obviously, some little girl's cooter is going to end up on Youtube.

Flew yesterday to California from Phoenix. And I was selected to have my hands swabbed to determine if I had used chemicals. The African American TSA agent that I was performing this function was only swabbing other African Americans and any with olive or brown skin person.

She was not swabbing anglo americans hands. My wife was in line, is anglo american, and she was not swabbed. My point is that they are already profiling. Did I mind being swabbed, hell no, but you have anglo waco's that want are domestic terrorist, e.g. McVey, Nichols, Neo Nazis, etc., Why not check everyone. Scanning is good because the present day devices cannot detect weapons made of plastic if carried on you body.
 
Flew yesterday to California from Phoenix. And I was selected to have my hands swabbed to determine if I had used chemicals. The African American TSA agent that I was performing this function was only swabbing other African Americans and any with olive or brown skin person.

She was not swabbing anglo americans hands. My wife was in line, is anglo american, and she was not swabbed. My point is that they are already profiling. Did I mind being swabbed, hell no, but you have anglo waco's that want are domestic terrorist, e.g. McVey, Nichols, Neo Nazis, etc., Why not check everyone. Scanning is good because the present day devices cannot detect weapons made of plastic if carried on you body.

I get swabbed occasionally, and so does my laptop. I'm a white woman. I'm not sure what the randomization calculation is, but it definitely occurs. Do I mind? Only when I'm running late for my flight. And even then, it's just part of the world we live in, post 9/11.
 
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