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    Re: Airport body scanners reveal all, but what about when it's your kid?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    I think its fair to wonder how quickly those opposed to the full body scans would demand peoples heads if a terrorist managed to get through and blow up a plane.
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    I get grown ups dying in plane crashes, but what about kids?

    OK...thats probably not very clear...but listen...dead knows no age or race when it comes to terror acts. And I can promise you...if a terrorist is committed to blowing up a plane and knows that he or she can use his or her child to accomplish that mission (ala the terrorists in England that plotted to bring down a jetliner using things smuggled in baby bottles) and if they know that kids arent being fully security scanned...well...seriously...do you think concern over an x-rayed version of your childs junk trumps that reality?

    And really...for the luvamike...what they hell are people so concerned about? If some fruitbag gets off on looking at an xray and we are so paranoid that on the off chance someone might see us underneath it all...seriously...who has the problem? We are entirely too self conscious about our bodies...
    Do you have anything to add that isn't fearmongering?

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    Re: Airport body scanners reveal all, but what about when it's your kid?

    Quote Originally Posted by theangryamerican View Post
    Thanks for the links.



    The above quote makes it seem that most of the contingencies you're suggesting have already been addressed.

    I'm not claiming to have fully researched the issue, but the anti-scanner crowd strikes me as a bit alarmist. There's a lot of "if" in their debate.

    Sure the machine has data ports. How would it be programmed otherwise? The same could be said of the networking capabilities. Until the program is actually implemented, presence of a capability does not indicate it will be used in that capacity. All the features that have been described I can see having a legitimate use other than compromising the average Joe's privacy and access of these features can easily be limited with simple measures.

    By the way, I have kids. I have no problem with scanners.
    That's cool. I have the notion that the TSA won't tell people really how the system works or that there are capabilities for storing / networking these scanners because of security issues. I have to say as well --- have you seen the folks that work at the TSA? I don't travel as much as I used to - but the Newark NJ and Philadelphia Airports which I use ... I wouldn't trust these people with a a used barf bag - and people who are concerned about security of their bodies or their kids pictures ... I can understand their concern. I don't share it - but I understand it.
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    Re: Airport body scanners reveal all, but what about when it's your kid?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    I think its fair to wonder how quickly those opposed to the full body scans would demand peoples heads if a terrorist managed to get through and blow up a plane.
    Not really, actually, quite intellectually dishonest. No WBI [body imaging] DNOES NOT EQUATE to no security measures. Thew people who opt out still get checked. If something were to go wrong, I wouldn't go about saying "oh, so-and-so should be done, such and such should have to do XYZ..." no, I would find the problem and fix it - fire incompetent people [plenty in the TSA] if possible, change policies, etc, not look for more reasons to make the airport security check needlessly invasive and time consuming for the passengers.

    BTW: the chance of getting killed in a plane crash by terrorists is on par [of not more unlikely] than getting struck by lightning. Blind supporters of this call the opposition fear mongers, yet are willing to support putting in technology that hasn't been completely tested, not completely proven effective or safe, in place for a microscopic possibility and condemn those who oppose with all sorts of hysterical emotional games. Kinda ironic really.
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    Re: Airport body scanners reveal all, but what about when it's your kid?

    Quote Originally Posted by theangryamerican View Post
    The scanners only have the ability to transmit images when placed into a test mode for diagnostic purposes.


    Only transmitted them when placed for diagnostic purposes? How do they define transmitted? Wouldn't you need to "transmit" them from the image taking device to the screen being monitored by TSOs?

    How does this make sense?
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    Re: Airport body scanners reveal all, but what about when it's your kid?

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    Do you have anything to add that isn't fearmongering?
    What there IS fearmongering? Good lord...thats the weakest response Ive seen here since...well...OK...yesterday...

    Who is fearmongering? me for saying...the threat is real and we FULL ON expect the TSA to do everything reasonably possible to keep the airlines safe, or you and "dont look at my tiny pee pee on an X ray!" Oh...Im sorry...at your KIDS tiny pee pee on an X Ray...

    Just who is 'afraid' of what?

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    Re: Airport body scanners reveal all, but what about when it's your kid?

    Quote Originally Posted by Travelsonic View Post
    Not really, actually, quite intellectually dishonest. No WBI [body imaging] DNOES NOT EQUATE to no security measures. Thew people who opt out still get checked. If something were to go wrong, I wouldn't go about saying "oh, so-and-so should be done, such and such should have to do XYZ..." no, I would find the problem and fix it - fire incompetent people [plenty in the TSA] if possible, change policies, etc, not look for more reasons to make the airport security check needlessly invasive and time consuming for the passengers.

    BTW: the chance of getting killed in a plane crash by terrorists is on par [of not more unlikely] than getting struck by lightning. Blind supporters of this call the opposition fear mongers, yet are willing to support putting in technology that hasn't been completely tested, not completely proven effective or safe, in place for a microscopic possibility and condemn those who oppose with all sorts of hysterical emotional games. Kinda ironic really.
    I call bull****. Im no FAN of Obama but I know damn good and well and I suspect you do too that people would be lining up to blame him for not doing everything he can and the TSA could to keep people safe. I'll take you at your word...you say YOU wouldnt...OK...fine...but seriously...You REALLy dont think people would?

    Like I said I typically fly about 30 times a year. Bring on the scanners.

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    Re: Airport body scanners reveal all, but what about when it's your kid?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    What there IS fearmongering? Good lord...thats the weakest response Ive seen here since...well...OK...yesterday...

    Who is fearmongering? me for saying...the threat is real and we FULL ON expect the TSA to do everything reasonably possible to keep the airlines safe, or you and "dont look at my tiny pee pee on an X ray!" Oh...Im sorry...at your KIDS tiny pee pee on an X Ray...

    Just who is 'afraid' of what?
    Well it's not really an X Ray now is it. And realize some parents don't want junior or little Suzy's pee-pee and coochie being spread on the internet as masturbation fodder. Just call 'em crazy I guess huh?
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Airport body scanners reveal all, but what about when it's your kid?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Well it's not really an X Ray now is it. And realize some parents don't want junior or little Suzy's pee-pee and coochie being spread on the internet as masturbation fodder. Just call 'em crazy I guess huh?
    No one WANTS that...but to FEAR it??? To fear a black white image that shows no facial features? And hey...Ive already said...death penalty for the first SOB they catch doing it.

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    Re: Airport body scanners reveal all, but what about when it's your kid?

    Quote Originally Posted by Travelsonic View Post
    Only transmitted them when placed for diagnostic purposes? How do they define transmitted? Wouldn't you need to "transmit" them from the image taking device to the screen being monitored by TSOs?

    How does this make sense?

    ...for the THIRD time.

    "There is no way for someone in the airport environment to put the machine into the test mode," the official said, adding that test mode can be enabled only in TSA test facilities.
    I have yet to see this refuted.
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    Re: Airport body scanners reveal all, but what about when it's your kid?

    Quote Originally Posted by theangryamerican View Post
    ...for the THIRD time.



    I have yet to see this refuted.
    Well, your quote did not address the question I made, how does it make sense? You need to transmit the image from the image producing device in the first place in order for people to see it. Surely it is actually a matter of capturing that data somewhere along the process, which explains the ability to actually save those images, something that is logically VITAL to anything involving airport security I'd say.

    And I personally wouldn't trust the TSA's word blind, the words of the people who manufactured the device and programmed the software are much better a source, IMO. How do we know this to be true? Maybe they are just saying this to keep people calm, maybe they are telling the truth, maybe there is a seriously exploitable bug in their software... we don't know, I sure as hell don't expect the TSA to tell us truthfully.
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