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    Re: Airport body scanners reveal all, but what about when it's your kid?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Tell me, what information isn't leaked out on the internet these days? It may be fear but it's legitimate fear for some. A USB drive and 3 minutes will get thousands perhaps hundreds of thousands of scans out on the internet. You know sooner or later it will happen - the interwebz = the wild wild west after all.
    Do you have a source that confirms this? It sounds like a bit of fear-mongering to me. A quick search seems to debunk that pretty easily.

    The scanners only have the ability to transmit images when placed into a test mode for diagnostic purposes.

    The TSA officer viewing the image cannot see the actual passenger. No cameras, cell phones or other devices capable of capturing an image are allowed in the room where the image is displayed
    "There is no way for someone in the airport environment to put the machine into the test mode," the official said, adding that test mode can be enabled only in TSA test facilities.
    Further, the TSA says, the machines are not networked and cannot be hacked.

    Body scanners can store, send images, group says - CNN.com

    Your myth looks busted to me.
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    Re: Airport body scanners reveal all, but what about when it's your kid?

    Check this out:

    TSA Week at a Glance: 7/12/10 thru 7/18/10

    -4 artfully concealed prohibited items found at checkpoints
    -14 firearms found at checkpoints
    -4 passengers were arrested after investigations of suspicious behavior or fraudulent travel documents

    TSA | Transportation Security Administration | U.S. Department of Homeland Security

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    Re: Airport body scanners reveal all, but what about when it's your kid?

    Quote Originally Posted by static_engineer View Post
    Really???


    Look at this article...





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    Paul Joseph Watson is a well-known conspiracy theorist. Please link a more reliable source.
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    Re: Airport body scanners reveal all, but what about when it's your kid?

    Quote Originally Posted by theangryamerican View Post
    Paul Joseph Watson is a well-known conspiracy theorist. Please link a more reliable source.
    I didn't realize he is a conspiracy theorist, I appologize.
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    Re: Airport body scanners reveal all, but what about when it's your kid?

    Quote Originally Posted by static_engineer View Post
    I didn't realize he is a conspiracy theorist, I appologize.
    No problem. If there is actual information contradicting the information I've posted, I'd honestly love to see it. I'm just speaking from what I've read so far on the issue.
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    Re: Airport body scanners reveal all, but what about when it's your kid?

    Quote Originally Posted by TBone View Post
    what is the solution?
    Try the simple solution first. Crucify the first prick they catch inappropriately handling their TSA duties. Behead the second one. I think the message would catch on and this would be a non-issue.

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    Re: Airport body scanners reveal all, but what about when it's your kid?

    Just bring them to Florida and let me stake them out over one of the fire ant piles in my yard in the July sunshine.

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    Re: Airport body scanners reveal all, but what about when it's your kid?

    Quote Originally Posted by theangryamerican View Post
    Do you have a source that confirms this? It sounds like a bit of fear-mongering to me. A quick search seems to debunk that pretty easily.

    The scanners only have the ability to transmit images when placed into a test mode for diagnostic purposes.
    Can a user put the machine in test mode if they knew how? If so, there must be a way to review the images even though the TSA identifies there's no storage capabilities. I don't pretend to know how to hack it but someone will eventually. Regarding storage, USB 2.0 has a 480MB/s transfer rate according to the standards - it's usually lower than that - say 100mb/s. It's simple math as to how many can be stored assuming an interface is used. Frankly, I don't believe there's no storage capabilities as there must be a way to review at least a cursory number of scans by supervisors or by HSA or the TSA if something was missed and a plane has to be held for takeoff, for example. Technically speaking - anything can be hacked. It's the nature of technology.

    Quote Originally Posted by theangryamerican View Post

    Your myth looks busted to me.
    Here a key piece of advice: Never use 1 source for your myth busting, especially 24 hour news sources.

    DailyTech - TSA Called Out on Full-Body Scanner Storage Capabilities, Health Risks Revealed

    For example --- the TSA's operational documents regarding the scanner... page 8, section 2.8 clearly identifies the capability of keeping images exists as it states:
    Quote Originally Posted by TSA_Ops_Requirements
    The capability to retain images at superuser level will be disabled on operational systems.
    No networking they say...

    Section 5, page 10 Section 5 - Functional Integration, sub-section 5.1 & 5.2 Network Interface

    Quote Originally Posted by TSA_Ops_Requirements
    WBI shall (52) contain a RJ-45 interface for Ethernet interface connection and that interface shall (53) be 10/100 compatible.
    The network interface(s) shall (55) be configurable with an IP address.
    Quote Originally Posted by The Daily Tech
    Well, at least the scanners can't send or store images, said advocates. However, that turns out to be a false claim as well. The Electronic Privacy Information Center (EPIC) has received 2008 documents from the TSA which not only clearly state that the scanners could have such abilities, but they say that the scanners must have them.
    Quote Originally Posted by theangryamerican View Post
    Your myth looks busted to me.
    Hardly. The capabilities to record and store images are there. The networking capabilities are there. The access by "superusers" to over-ride the settings in the field allow recording of images and networking of those images. As well, the Operations document identifies that the "ports" are locked and accessible by supervisors. Therefore, if the field unit has a USB port - the capability to plug in a USB drive and record not only is physically and operationally viable - but not totally possible.

    Here's the links to the TSA's documents which were received through FOIA.

    http://epic.org/open_gov/foia/TSA_Procurement_Specs.pdf
    http://epic.org/open_gov/foia/TSA_Ops_Requirements.pdf

    EPIC - UPDATE - EPIC Posts TSA Documents on Body Scanners
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    Re: Airport body scanners reveal all, but what about when it's your kid?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Can a user put the machine in test mode if they knew how? The capabilities to record and store images are there. The networking capabilities are there. The access by "superusers" to over-ride the settings in the field allow recording of images and networking of those images. As well, the Operations document identifies that the "ports" are locked and accessible by supervisors. Therefore, if the field unit has a USB port - the capability to plug in a USB drive and record not only is physically and operationally viable - but not totally possible.
    Thanks for the links.

    "There is no way for someone in the airport environment to put the machine into the test mode," the official said, adding that test mode can be enabled only in TSA test facilities.
    The above quote makes it seem that most of the contingencies you're suggesting have already been addressed.

    I'm not claiming to have fully researched the issue, but the anti-scanner crowd strikes me as a bit alarmist. There's a lot of "if" in their debate.

    Sure the machine has data ports. How would it be programmed otherwise? The same could be said of the networking capabilities. Until the program is actually implemented, presence of a capability does not indicate it will be used in that capacity. All the features that have been described I can see having a legitimate use other than compromising the average Joe's privacy and access of these features can easily be limited with simple measures.

    By the way, I have kids. I have no problem with scanners.
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    Re: Airport body scanners reveal all, but what about when it's your kid?

    I think its fair to wonder how quickly those opposed to the full body scans would demand peoples heads if a terrorist managed to get through and blow up a plane.

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