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    Re: Airport body scanners reveal all, but what about when it's your kid?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    No, I'm trying to point out that you don't have the same perspective that I do, since you're not a parent.

    I have 3 kids and 3 step kids. 4 girls and two boys. Yes, this is an issue for me. Since you don't have kids, you can't tell me that my concerns aren't genuine.
    I'm not saying there not genuine. I'm saying that they are based on fear, and not facts.

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    Re: Airport body scanners reveal all, but what about when it's your kid?

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    I'm not saying there not genuine. I'm saying that they are based on fear, and not facts.
    Not based on facts? It's not a fact that this kind of ****, sooner or later, ends on the internet?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Airport body scanners reveal all, but what about when it's your kid?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Not based on facts? It's not a fact that this kind of ****, sooner or later, ends on the internet?
    Um, yeah, it's not a fact, it's a fear.

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    Re: Airport body scanners reveal all, but what about when it's your kid?

    Since when were airport security pedophiles? Since when would nobody notice them taking camera footage of just the little girls' and boys' body scans?
    Also, I don't care when the doctor sees my pecker and usually neither do the parents. Or are people so paranoid that anyone around a naked child is a potential pedophile?
    Most people don't freak at seeing a naked child.

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    Re: Airport body scanners reveal all, but what about when it's your kid?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    Um, yeah, it's not a fact, it's a fear.
    Tell me, what information isn't leaked out on the internet these days? It may be fear but it's legitimate fear for some. A USB drive and 3 minutes will get thousands perhaps hundreds of thousands of scans out on the internet. You know sooner or later it will happen - the interwebz = the wild wild west after all.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Airport body scanners reveal all, but what about when it's your kid?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Tell me, what information isn't leaked out on the internet these days? It may be fear but it's legitimate fear for some. A USB drive and 3 minutes will get thousands perhaps hundreds of thousands of scans out on the internet. You know sooner or later it will happen - the interwebz = the wild wild west after all.
    But there are very simple safeguards to prevent something like that from happening. The people viewing the photos aren't even in the same room as the people going through the scans, you could also have the HDD password protected, with only certain high ranking airport officials having the password. Also deleting said HDD at the end of each day helps. Yeah, it could happen, but it is not a big enough risk to not have them implemented because of this.

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    Re: Airport body scanners reveal all, but what about when it's your kid?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Translation: terrorists, plant your bomb on your kids.
    Your translation skillz are lacking.

    Translation: If you have suspicions about my kid, use a different method. And with me there the entire time. Kthnx.
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    Re: Airport body scanners reveal all, but what about when it's your kid?

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    The images on the scanner do not possess that level of detail.

    edit: although anything you can possibly think of, SOME sick ****er out there has a fetish for it. "Lumpy grey humanoids" is somebody's thing.
    Rule 43, ftw.

    I have a 16 year old, I have very little concern about these scanners. It's not like her body image would be identifiable as her. The other thing is...it's just a human body. Why are Americans so freaked out by our own bodies?

    Some of you people spend way too much time thinking about "perverted things that people could do."
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    Re: Airport body scanners reveal all, but what about when it's your kid?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Rule 43, ftw.

    I have a 16 year old, I have very little concern about these scanners. It's not like her body image would be identifiable as her. QUOTE]

    Really, and what do you have to go by besides what the TSA and DHS release to the public, images that are purposefully manipulated for public consumption? If they were so low detail as people here claim, then why do they need to censor them at all, after all, they are just a stick figure with found items according to the DHS/TSA.

    The other thing is...it's just a human body. Why are Americans so freaked out by our own bodies?

    Some of you people spend way too much time thinking about "perverted things that people could do."
    Freaked out aout our own bodies? Or is it more likely that we don't want to lose that control over who sees us nude or not? Somebody could not object to posing nude in a whatever, for example, but oppose this not because of any prudishness or lack therefore, but because in the former you are conscenting, but in the latter you have no control over it - even if you went for the patdown instead, they'd try to guilt trip / pressure you into taking the body imaging anyways. These people aren't cops, doctors, techncians trained to use such technology, yet we are entrusting them with responsibilities trained technicians hold to do things that cops aren't even allowed to do [strip search, whether digitally or physically]. Why doesn't that scare people?

    When we give people who may not even have a GED, who is part of an agency with a long line of not ony expressing severe incompetence [ask me, and I'll get going on ranting about THAT] but hiring and defending criminals who steal from passengers and plant stuff on passengers as a "joke" - when we give them more rights than trained medical professionals and even more power than that we give REAL COPS - then we have a reason to be worried. I don't know what kind of fantasy world those BLINDLY defending this [as opposed to agreeing with the idea but not the implementation per-se] wholehartedly live in, but it seems like they have not done much research beyond the feel good press and word of the TSA and DHS, not looking into the words of medical experts, opinions from constitutional attorneys, nor looking at the people who manufactured the damned things for facts about it / how it works, before defending these things to death. It genuinely scares me that this lack of research goes on before spouting off opinons on something that could have a major impact not just on privacy but on our own physical health.

    Your Star, it is a fact that information leaks. Look at Wikileaks, and you'll see that even information that seemed unlikely to get leaked [source, security related reasoning] can get leaked. It is a matter of time.


    [And if anybody HONESTLY believes that these things can't save / store / transmit images, take a class in computer architecture, or even just a simple class on how computers work, to see just how wrong this idea is]
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    Re: Airport body scanners reveal all, but what about when it's your kid?

    I'm a frequent flier who racks up around 50k miles a year on Delta. I've flown in and out of most of the large airports around the U.S. I've had ZERO problems with TSA. The TSA reps I've encountered in my travels since 2001 have been, without exception, friendly, helpful, and courteous. I know the TSA screeners in my local airport on a first name basis, I see them several times a month, and the same crew has worked there for years (it's a small airport).

    On the other hand, I have seen some passengers be extremely hostile, belligerent and rude---mainly because they, the passengers, can't seem to figure out how to follow simple instructions, such as not packing a bottle of liquid or jell larger than 3.2 ounces. In our local airport, I once watched TSA tackle a guy for packing a large quantity of marijuana in his carry-on bag.

    Now, I understand that there are problems with any organization, but these are non-identifying body scans. It's funny how your post is full of the same fear we've seen above from Apdst--without any actual substantiation or evidence.

    Let me just explain: your word doesn't count for **** with me. You're anonymous internet guy who has provided nothing but a rant.

    Your post reminds me of the reviews I read online about a hotel I stayed at recently. The review stated that the desk staff and other personnel were discourteous and needed customer service training. While we checked into the hotel, I watched a drunken douchebag loudly berate the desk clerk. She told him, in no undertain terms, what his options were.

    I'm sure that he then went online and wrote a review of how hostile the hotel staff were. But I've found that if you treat people with courtesy, more often than not, you get the same in return.

    Our stay at that hotel, btw, was wonderful--largely because the staff--in all areas of the hotel--were wonderful.

    I have a feeling that the same small group of discourteous assholes end up being treated like discourteous assholes, and then run around bitching about it.

    My experiences are significantly different from what you appear to be saying. Given the lack of data or evidence associated with your claims, I'll go with my experiences.
    Last edited by Catz Part Deux; 07-20-10 at 11:51 AM.

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