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    Re: Palin sparks Twitter fight on mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    So can you answer the questions, or are you just going to continue with the verbal handjobs?
    Still defaulting to your deranged rants?

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    Re: Palin sparks Twitter fight on mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Where is the law that says we have to show you respect? There's no such thing. The only thing which is to be guaranteed are our rights. But I find it funny that this is the argument used considering how the side against the exercise of rights tries to portray the other side.
    Did you even bother to read a ****ing word I said before you decided to verbally vomit forth this bilious gas-bag of a post?

    I didnt make any legal argument at all. I would love it if you could show me what moronic mental somersaults you did to get to this response because I could use a dose of humor today.

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    Re: Palin sparks Twitter fight on mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Still defaulting to your deranged rants?
    Nope, just asking if you could answer the question. Which apparently the answer to that is "no".
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Palin sparks Twitter fight on mosque

    See, weird thing on this...

    I agree with her that its unnecessary provocation. As I've said before, these people building the mosque are either needed to be nominated for the biggest douchebag in the universe award OR are the most obtuse dumbasses this side of Washington and regardless of which of those two things they are they are unquestionably lacking in tact.

    I have no issue with her having a problem with it either. I laugh when people are saying essentially "Shut up Palin, you're not FROM New York, its not your business!" when many of those people are the type to get angry when a European or Canadian poster is dismissed for having an opinion on something going on in America. At least in this case its actually something affecting her country. Many of these people seem to also be ones that have zero issue having an opinion on Arizona without living there. Nothing says American's can't have opinions on things going on in other states.

    That said, there's nothing New York can or really should do as a government. If the people buy the land and want to build something that's legally zoned to be built there then more power to them. The only way this should, and could, be stopped imho would be from the citizens themselves protesting and doing legal actions that cause such bad publicity that it makes it useless to build if the intent REALLY is to "build bridges" and do "outreach". People protesting this would be no worse or more wrong then those protesting for amnesty or were protesting the wars.

    In regards to the comparisons, the KKK one is crappy and is a poor one all together. A better example would be buying up the land and building a bar on the site of a wreck caused by drunk driving that killed 13 people from the town. Is all alcohol to blame for that car crash? No. But that car crash happened in large part due to alcohol and thus for those in the town affected by it seeing a building dedicated to the thing that helped cause those deaths would be inflamatory. Similarly, while Islam as a whole is not to blame for 9/11, its undeniable to suggest that Islam did not have a large part in the why and the how that it was carried out.

    Or opening up a "History of Japan" museum next to Pearl Harbor 10 years after WWII ended. 10 years later was ALL Japanese people in general our enemies? No. Were the individual citizens, who at that time were hardly a democratic country, directly responsable for the attacks on Pearl Harbor or even to a man agreed with it? No. Yet despite that, only 10 years after the fact, would something like that so close to wreckage not be inflammatory for many?

    I've said it before and I have yet to see a reason to leave from this thought process. If their goal was HONESTLY to build bridges then they'd have bought land farther away from ground zero and advertise it from there. You don't have to "build bridges" to people that don't have an issue with you, your religion, or what happened with 9/11 because those bridges already exist. You don't "build bridges" to places you're already connected to. The whole point of "building bridges" is to connect to people who are apart from you...people who have a negative view, distrusting view, or outright oppositional view towards Islam. Those are the type of people that if someone is "building bridges" that they'd be reaching out to. And those are the people that are most being bothered/annoyed, upset, or pissed off about the location of this mosque.

    To equate it with something elses, this is like trying to "make friends" with someone who you've generally not gotten along with and for your initial action in trying to do that you flick them off.

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    Re: Palin sparks Twitter fight on mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Did you even bother to read a ****ing word I said before you decided to verbally vomit forth this bilious gas-bag of a post?

    I didnt make any legal argument at all. I would love it if you could show me what moronic mental somersaults you did to get to this response because I could use a dose of humor today.
    I asked you a question, you were telling these other people who seemed to endorse societal and/or political pressure to infringe upon the rights of people who have legally and within the full of their rights exercised their own liberties that they get unreasonable terms thrown at them. Therefore, I only asked YOU if YOU could answer the question the others couldn't. So, if you'd like to start reading and responding rationally, that would be super. But if it's just going to be more of these temper tantrums, please save yourself the time.
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    Re: Palin sparks Twitter fight on mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Nope, just asking if you could answer the question. Which apparently the answer to that is "no".
    I wasnt much interested in your questions after seeing you throw out another of your tantrums. Sorry, but any point you were attempting to make was lost in your display of derangement.

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    Re: Palin sparks Twitter fight on mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I asked you a question,
    And? Your question was irrelevant to the post I made. I don't give a rat's ass what deranged rants you were making at other people.

    There's your ****ing answer.

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    Re: Palin sparks Twitter fight on mosque

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    Palin sparks Twitter fight on mosqueFinal warning. Cool down the baiting rhetoric and return to civil debate on the topic. Lets keep this thread on track rather than letting it spiral into personal vollys.

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    Re: Palin sparks Twitter fight on mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    See, weird thing on this...

    I agree with her that its unnecessary provocation. As I've said before, these people building the mosque are either needed to be nominated for the biggest douchebag in the universe award OR are the most obtuse dumbasses this side of Washington and regardless of which of those two things they are they are unquestionably lacking in tact.

    I have no issue with her having a problem with it either. I laugh when people are saying essentially "Shut up Palin, you're not FROM New York, its not your business!" when many of those people are the type to get angry when a European or Canadian poster is dismissed for having an opinion on something going on in America. At least in this case its actually something affecting her country. Many of these people seem to also be ones that have zero issue having an opinion on Arizona without living there. Nothing says American's can't have opinions on things going on in other states.

    That said, there's nothing New York can or really should do as a government. If the people buy the land and want to build something that's legally zoned to be built there then more power to them. The only way this should, and could, be stopped imho would be from the citizens themselves protesting and doing legal actions that cause such bad publicity that it makes it useless to build if the intent REALLY is to "build bridges" and do "outreach". People protesting this would be no worse or more wrong then those protesting for amnesty or were protesting the wars.

    In regards to the comparisons, the KKK one is crappy and is a poor one all together. A better example would be buying up the land and building a bar on the site of a wreck caused by drunk driving that killed 13 people from the town. Is all alcohol to blame for that car crash? No. But that car crash happened in large part due to alcohol and thus for those in the town affected by it seeing a building dedicated to the thing that helped cause those deaths would be inflamatory. Similarly, while Islam as a whole is not to blame for 9/11, its undeniable to suggest that Islam did not have a large part in the why and the how that it was carried out.

    Or opening up a "History of Japan" museum next to Pearl Harbor 10 years after WWII ended. 10 years later was ALL Japanese people in general our enemies? No. Were the individual citizens, who at that time were hardly a democratic country, directly responsable for the attacks on Pearl Harbor or even to a man agreed with it? No. Yet despite that, only 10 years after the fact, would something like that so close to wreckage not be inflammatory for many?

    I've said it before and I have yet to see a reason to leave from this thought process. If their goal was HONESTLY to build bridges then they'd have bought land farther away from ground zero and advertise it from there. You don't have to "build bridges" to people that don't have an issue with you, your religion, or what happened with 9/11 because those bridges already exist. You don't "build bridges" to places you're already connected to. The whole point of "building bridges" is to connect to people who are apart from you...people who have a negative view, distrusting view, or outright oppositional view towards Islam. Those are the type of people that if someone is "building bridges" that they'd be reaching out to. And those are the people that are most being bothered/annoyed, upset, or pissed off about the location of this mosque.

    To equate it with something elses, this is like trying to "make friends" with someone who you've generally not gotten along with and for your initial action in trying to do that you flick them off.
    Fair enough. I've always liked your posts even though I sometimes disagree with you. But in general, do you think it is ok to use societal or political pressure to infringe or prevent someone from exercising a right when no legal options are left? I think this is an interesting question, and one which was born naturally from the topic at hand.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Palin sparks Twitter fight on mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I've said it before and I have yet to see a reason to leave from this thought process. If their goal was HONESTLY to build bridges then they'd have bought land farther away from ground zero and advertise it from there. You don't have to "build bridges" to people that don't have an issue with you, your religion, or what happened with 9/11 because those bridges already exist. You don't "build bridges" to places you're already connected to. The whole point of "building bridges" is to connect to people who are apart from you...people who have a negative view, distrusting view, or outright oppositional view towards Islam. Those are the type of people that if someone is "building bridges" that they'd be reaching out to. And those are the people that are most being bothered/annoyed, upset, or pissed off about the location of this mosque.

    To equate it with something elses, this is like trying to "make friends" with someone who you've generally not gotten along with and for your initial action in trying to do that you flick them off.
    In all fairness, though, the mosque is 2 blocks away from the WTC. That's hardly right next door.

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