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    Re: Palin sparks Twitter fight on mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by chevydriver1123 View Post
    I havent payed much attention to this since I really dont a flying **** but in my observations much of the opposition are people who dont live/arent even from NYC let along New York state. Its quite funny listening to carpetbaggers preach what we should and should not do. If the land was up for sale and this organization bought it the legal way then they have the right to do what they want with said land (keeping in tune with local building codes and whatnot). If you got a problem with it, dont come to New York City.
    Every poll I've seen has the people of New York City decisively against building the mosque so your premise is wrong from the start.

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    Re: Palin sparks Twitter fight on mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    A few things make me suspicious of this whole thing. First - down town - there's little to no one living near the WTC, so a mosque there is not really going to be a mosque, it's going to be a monument or a show place of sorts. Second - the proximity to the WTC lends some credibility to the charge: Islam builds monuments on their victories. That's an inflammatory charge but history does tend to show where Islam had victory's - monuments were erected, most of them were built or converted to mosques. One of the most famous - Hagia Sofia in Istanbul. Third, the imam view on Islam and aspects of sharia are a little disturbing. I personally find the proximity distasteful and laugh at the liberal diversity nonsense of Bloomberg as elitist and ignorant politics. He wants to show how ameniable New Yorkers are inviting Islam to the WTC. American's are forgiving but most are not THAT forgiving - and yes, it's been 10 years. I'd personally reject this building - tell them to find another spot in NY where we'd be happy to help them build. If they're dead set on this spot --- come back in another 20 years and we'll discuss it then.
    This is spot-on and deserved more recognition than just hitting a thanks button.

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    Re: Palin sparks Twitter fight on mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by jambalaya View Post
    Every poll I've seen has the people of New York City decisively against building the mosque so your premise is wrong from the start.
    Did the organization obtain the land illegaly? Yes or No?
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    Re: Palin sparks Twitter fight on mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    The Constitution doesn't limit the People, it limits the government. I mean, how many times does this have to be explained to fascists?
    I asked where is the protection of the fed allowing people to build wherever they want? And is fascist all ya got? That's laughable... at least name call properly and put some creativity to it.

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    Which is why what you engage in is treason and tyranny.
    I don't engage in anything.

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    Because you want to infringe upon people's rights without due process, without any evidence, nothing in the least other than "you want to". That's it.
    I'm not infringing on anything or anyone by pointing out real life vs. your fairly tale world.
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    It's sick. Plain and simple. And can only be espoused by those with little to no knowledge and understanding of freedom and liberty.
    It's reality. Wake up and get engaged in real life. It happens in your town, in the cities in every state in every corner of this nation and every nation.

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    Land of the free, it's high time people learn what that means and the consequences of it. Sometimes I think this country has become a bunch of pussies. So ****ing scared over some groups exercising their rights that they piss themselves and try to look for alternate ways to infringe upon the free exercise of rights of others.
    Why are you all butthurt? This is the way things work - whether it's this political system, this Constitution or some other. This isn't about freedom and liberty it's about humanity.

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    People like you are why we have so much intrusive government and fascism. Maybe we should expel those who cannot live by the responsibilities and consequences of freedom.
    And people like you are why libertarians are considered a joke. Call me a fascist all you want... it's pretty tame and wussy. If you have to revert to claiming this is all about what "I" do and how "I'm" a fascist, I pushed your buttons, made my point and caused you to lose all credibility. That was pretty easy.
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    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Palin sparks Twitter fight on mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    This is spot-on and deserved more recognition than just hitting a thanks button.
    Thanks Jallman - but apparently I'm a "fascist" now that I had to bring a little honesty to the discussion. People cannot take honesty.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Palin sparks Twitter fight on mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by jambalaya View Post
    Every poll I've seen has the people of New York City decisively against building the mosque so your premise is wrong from the start.
    But what can you do about it? Seriously, if everything is legal then how can you justify acting against these people? They are within every right to practice their religion, to have a religious building, and they've done so all by the letter of the law. Yet some people still say we should do something. That you can use forms of social intimidation legitimately against the rights of these people in order to stop something they don't like but have no just reason to infringe upon. How can anyone endorse social intimidation to keep people from practicing their rights? That's all that's left open since this was all done legally.

    So for those opposed to the mosque, in a country built upon the rights and liberties of the individual, a limited government which was to support and proliferation our rights and liberties, in such a world how can you believe it justifiable to use forms of social intimidation against groups which are legally exercising their rights? How is that not betraying everything this country was founded on?
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Palin sparks Twitter fight on mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    What's this nonsense about Islam having a "victory"? Last time I checked it wasn't Islam that attacked us. It was Al-Qaeda, and too assume everyone who is muslim is a terrorist is just plain wrong.
    I think the association is close enough that it's a sore issue for a lot of people in the US and if these Muslim groups building this mosque had any cultural sensitivity, they would delay their plans. The fact that they aren't showing that sensitivity to New Yorkers and the US smacks of a disrespect we should not allow within our own borders.

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    Re: Palin sparks Twitter fight on mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    I asked where is the protection of the fed allowing people to build wherever they want? And is fascist all ya got? That's laughable... at least name call properly and put some creativity to it.
    They bought it legit. If they legally purchase property, meet all the zoning codes and such for their building, who are you to say what they can and cannot do with their property? So yes, because you wish to use forms of social intimidation against the free exercise of rights just because you don't like the group who are exercising their rights you are a fascist. You'd use the government power if you could, but that's been rightfully limited so you have to find other forms of intimidation. Why don't you run out there and burn a huge cross on their property. Maybe that'll show them!

    People keep betraying the foundation of this country because they're scared, weak, stupid, or all three. It's high time we accept the realities of freedom instead of hiding under our desks praying to the government to save us from freedom.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Palin sparks Twitter fight on mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Thanks Jallman - but apparently I'm a "fascist" now that I had to bring a little honesty to the discussion. People cannot take honesty.
    Yeah I just got to that part. I think its a ridiculous default slur tossed out by the mentally feeble when they have their beliefs challenged in ways they can't handle. It's their problem, not yours, dude.

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    Re: Palin sparks Twitter fight on mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    And people like you are why libertarians are considered a joke. Call me a fascist all you want... it's pretty tame and wussy. If you have to revert to claiming this is all about what "I" do and how "I'm" a fascist, I pushed your buttons, made my point and caused you to lose all credibility. That was pretty easy.
    Since you have not logically backed up anything you've said or demonstrated any proof as to why the rights of the individual should be infringed upon, what you've said here is nothing more than a lie. You're the one who called for social intimidation in order to prevent these people from exercising their proper rights. You can try to deny it all you want, run as much as you want it, try hard to make this only about my proper designation of you as a facsist, but you ain't changing reality in any of that. And end of the day, you're the one who calls for social intimidation against a group of people you don't like exercising their rights even though they've done everything by the book. Pretend all you want, hide your head in the sand; but you call for the exact opposite of the purpose of this country which recognizes the rights and liberties of the individual.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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