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    Re: Palin sparks Twitter fight on mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Because Muslims want to reach out and repair the damage caused to our relationship, and this building helps do that. (it's not a mosque. It's a community center with a mosque in it)
    Which if that’s their purpose, which they keep saying it in part is, they’re again either ****ing idiots of the highest degree, disingenuous douche bags, or the most obliviously tactless people I’ve ever seen.

    They’re attempting to “repair damage” and “reach out” to people and their first move is the equivalent of mooning the individuals whose views they’re attempting to “repair”.

    Because Muslims aren't responsible for what happened. I'm German, should I stay away from anywhere where Jews worship?
    No, but 10 years after WWII concluded I’d think attempting to open a German Restaurant whose interior is akin to a small museum celebrating the history and culture of Germany right in the heart of Jerusalem would be extremely tactless and a rather douchy move.

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    Re: Palin sparks Twitter fight on mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    BECAUSE THEY OWN THE LAND THERE. There are a **** ton of churches building new buildings in my neighborhood. If it were up to me, I'd say we need another church in our neighborhood like we need a hole in the head. However, their buildings meet the conditions of zoning laws, and they have every right to build a new building on their property. I don't understand why this is so hard for people.
    i have never said it wasn't their right. i just don't like it one bit.

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    Re: Palin sparks Twitter fight on mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    That is quite irrelevant to the entire issue. If they can legally obtain the right to build wherever they want then there is really no issue here. They can't be deprived of it.



    FindLaw: U.S. Constitution: Fifth Amendment



    You can't deprive these people of property.
    Once more, and stay with me now, I HAVE NOT MADE ANY ARGUMENT TOWARD LEGALLY RESTRICTING THEM FROM DOING ANYTHING. Do we understand that or are we going to need to go over it again?

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    Re: Palin sparks Twitter fight on mosque

    So the people building the community center/mosque are douchebags because they don't consider the sensitivities of people who equate Islam with terrorism?

    To me, that's what it looks like here. Sure people have a right to protest, but I think they are "slaying dragons". Yes, the terrorists were all Muslim. That doesn't mean mean that all Muslims are terrorists.

    Pearl Harbor was attacked by a nation, not a fringe minority of a religion. The only way to be upset about this is to link this mosque to terrorism.
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    Re: Palin sparks Twitter fight on mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    I'm sure they can tie up construction of it with law suits and petitions, various permit blocks, and attempts to use the zoning laws to take issue with every nit-picky thing possible. Perhaps delaying construction to the point of it no longer being financially worth it to the builders or so long that the outcry dies down.
    As I said, nothing legitimate or just one could do to stop it. There are other ways of using societal or political force to infringe upon the rights of the individual, but these are not legitimate or just actions.
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    Re: Palin sparks Twitter fight on mosque

    You know I remember alot of Conservatives saying on this website "Don't make arguments based on Emotionality" but yet that's exactly whats happening with some of you.

    Even conservapedia claims that one point of "Liberal Style" Is:

    43.using hyperbole instead of fact-based logic in an attempt to tug at people's emotions rather than appealing to their sense of reason.
    But I'm seeing a lot of conservatives doing that in here.

    If America begins to deny people their rights because of emotion, or innocent assocations or blood lines. Then you will become the very thing you were fighting against.

    "With the first link the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably, the first time any mans freedom is trodden on, we're all damaged." - Jean Luc Picard

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    Re: Palin sparks Twitter fight on mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    As I said, nothing legitimate or just one could do to stop it. There are other ways of using societal or political force to infringe upon the rights of the individual, but these are not legitimate or just actions.
    And I don't think it's a legitimate or just action to show such insensitivity to the nation by building a mosque so close to the site where muslims massacred Americans.

    But guess what? It's legal for them to try and it's perfectly legal for those opposed to use the methods I described. Good for the goose and all that.

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    Re: Palin sparks Twitter fight on mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Well clearly, according to Ikari we are fascists and the resident menopause hormones ad, we're illogical. But whatever. Glad we are in agreement.
    Well if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck...chances are, it's a duck. If you don't want to be labeled a fascist don't support or put forward fascist notions such as societal or political intimidation to force your way over the free exercise of rights when legally there is nothing legitimate or just you can do about it. But if you're done with these little outbursts now, perhaps we can move forward.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Palin sparks Twitter fight on mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    And I don't think it's a legitimate or just action to show such insensitivity to the nation by building a mosque so close to the site where muslims massacred Americans.

    But guess what? It's legal for them to try and it's perfectly legal for those opposed to use the methods I described. Good for the goose and all that.
    I don't know if all that should actually be "legal". Societal or political intimidation should be watched because it can go too far. If someone wants to build a mosque and has purchased everything legally and passed inspection or whatever, then that's that. Sure you can try to do something about it, but as soon as you do you've infringed upon the rights of others and that action is justly punished by the use of government force. We shouldn't excuse or allow these intimidation techniques to infringe upon the exercise of our rights; as our rights are what is ultimately the most important. There's no right against being offended, in fact it's going to happen. Grow a pair, grow up, and get over it. But there are rights to religion and property, those need to be enforced.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Palin sparks Twitter fight on mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Well if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck...chances are, it's a duck. If you don't want to be labeled a fascist don't support or put forward fascist notions such as societal or political intimidation to force your way over the free exercise of rights when legally there is nothing legitimate or just you can do about it. But if you're done with these little outbursts now, perhaps we can move forward.
    Move forward then. However, as long as you continue to attribute false labels as a means of deflecting from your weak mind which leads you to do so in a debate, then I will continue you call you on it. Now you may withdraw your idiotic assertions and prove yourself to be a little more mature than you have been with your name calling so far or you can continue to expose your personal flaws for all to see.

    I don't have much faith that you will make the right decision, however.

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