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    Re: Palin sparks Twitter fight on mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    A) I understand that entirely so you don't need to keep repeating this line. And thank you for not calling me a fascist, at least.

    B) It lists enough of them positively to support the fact that there is NO right to build freely anywhere you want.

    C) Then stop making an argument about freedom of religion if you want to make an argument about property rights.
    If you had read that post, you'd see that while Churches and dress are forms of expression, I had stated that we'd take it solely on the property issue in which a building is constructed by the letter of the law. Thanks for playing, but try being a bit more careful next time.

    Also, if you understood point A, you'd stop saying "where in the Constitution does it say the individual can....blah blah blah".
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Palin sparks Twitter fight on mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Until that community makes your life a living hell and force you to move away.
    But are you saying this is proper and just action by the community?
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    Re: Palin sparks Twitter fight on mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    In all fairness, though, the mosque is 2 blocks away from the WTC. That's hardly right next door.
    In New York? Yeah, I consider that pretty much next door. Hell in DC which is far smaller I'd say two blocks is essentially next door. Even my tiny city I'm from, our downtown area which is generally thought of as one large section is 4 blocks by 3 blocks and generally the surrounding block or so around that is still considered part of that section. When your main metro service line to it is even reffered to as "World Trade Center Station" I'd say its generally in the same immediete vicinity.

    If it was out past the next major road on that side, Chamber's St, at that point I'd say the fuss would be way over the top. At that point it'd be 2 major roads beyond it (Barclay St runs right along where the WTC was on that side of it, and then there's some minor streets which Park is one of, followed by Chamber's being the next big one). You'd be 5 blocks away, as well as being in a different metro section, suggesting its not in what I'd consider as the "general vicinity".

    Just my view on it

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    Re: Palin sparks Twitter fight on mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    If you had read that post,
    I did read that post. I addressed what I had to address of it. Your snarkiness is boring.

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    Re: Palin sparks Twitter fight on mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    In New York? Yeah, I consider that pretty much next door. Hell in DC which is far smaller I'd say two blocks is essentially next door. Even my tiny city I'm from, our downtown area which is generally thought of as one large section is 4 blocks by 3 blocks and generally the surrounding block or so around that is still considered part of that section. When your main metro service line to it is even reffered to as "World Trade Center Station" I'd say its generally in the same immediete vicinity.
    That's a bit interesting for I would have thought the opposite. I live in a lot of wide open areas, for us two blocks, a few miles, it's "right next door" sort of thing. I would have thought in crowded, big cities that the scales become much smaller. But whatever. Either or, while people are free to protest I do not think they have the rightful power to actually do anything about it.
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    Re: Palin sparks Twitter fight on mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    In New York? Yeah, I consider that pretty much next door. Hell in DC which is far smaller I'd say two blocks is essentially next door. Even my tiny city I'm from, our downtown area which is generally thought of as one large section is 4 blocks by 3 blocks and generally the surrounding block or so around that is still considered part of that section. When your main metro service line to it is even reffered to as "World Trade Center Station" I'd say its generally in the same immediete vicinity.

    If it was out past the next major road on that side, Chamber's St, at that point I'd say the fuss would be way over the top. At that point it'd be 2 major roads beyond it (Barclay St runs right along where the WTC was on that side of it, and then there's some minor streets which Park is one of, followed by Chamber's being the next big one). You'd be 5 blocks away, as well as being in a different metro section, suggesting its not in what I'd consider as the "general vicinity".

    Just my view on it
    Which begs the question how many blocks should a "no mosque zone" be for people to be comfortable. 2 apparently is too close for many. 5? 10? Should we let the states decide how big these zones are or do it federally?
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    Re: Palin sparks Twitter fight on mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Which begs the question how many blocks should a "no mosque zone" be for people to be comfortable. 2 apparently is too close for many. 5? 10? Should we let the states decide how big these zones are or do it federally?
    I do not think there is anything anyone can legitimately do about it. Some may be uncomfortable with 2 blocks, but that's their problem. So long as the Mosque is established in compliance with all the rules; there's nothing anyone can legitimately or justly do to stop it.
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    Re: Palin sparks Twitter fight on mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Which begs the question how many blocks should a "no mosque zone" be for people to be comfortable. 2 apparently is too close for many. 5? 10? Should we let the states decide how big these zones are or do it federally?
    Further, will this apply to ALL religious buildings, or just Islamic ones?

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    Re: Palin sparks Twitter fight on mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    In New York? Yeah, I consider that pretty much next door. Hell in DC which is far smaller I'd say two blocks is essentially next door. Even my tiny city I'm from, our downtown area which is generally thought of as one large section is 4 blocks by 3 blocks and generally the surrounding block or so around that is still considered part of that section. When your main metro service line to it is even reffered to as "World Trade Center Station" I'd say its generally in the same immediete vicinity.

    If it was out past the next major road on that side, Chamber's St, at that point I'd say the fuss would be way over the top. At that point it'd be 2 major roads beyond it (Barclay St runs right along where the WTC was on that side of it, and then there's some minor streets which Park is one of, followed by Chamber's being the next big one). You'd be 5 blocks away, as well as being in a different metro section, suggesting its not in what I'd consider as the "general vicinity".

    Just my view on it
    And I think this is the whole thing here...it doesn't have to be that close to, basically, where zealots of one religion perpetrated a massacre and act of war on another society. It smacks of insensitivity and a lack of respect, especially being so soon. If it were, as you said, further distanced by some of the evident boundaries a city forms in terms of intersections and major avenues, no one would have even thought about it. I dont think construction of a mosque would really raise any eyebrows in New York. But construction of a mosque practically on top of the site of a massacre perpetrated by "lalalalalalala kill the infidels" adherents of Islam...yeah I can see how there's a reaction of "oh hell naw!!!"

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    Re: Palin sparks Twitter fight on mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I do not think there is anything anyone can legitimately do about it. Some may be uncomfortable with 2 blocks, but that's their problem. So long as the Mosque is established in compliance with all the rules; there's nothing anyone can legitimately or justly do to stop it.
    I'm sure they can tie up construction of it with law suits and petitions, various permit blocks, and attempts to use the zoning laws to take issue with every nit-picky thing possible. Perhaps delaying construction to the point of it no longer being financially worth it to the builders or so long that the outcry dies down.

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