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    Re: Traffic Cameras Worldwide Go Haywire

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    I want you to back up your position with data to prove that to be true.
    As I said, this is a circumstantial theory, but it IS based on basic human psychology and behavior. Can you show statistics that counter the theory?

    We would need to see that the number of accidents does not decrease appreciably after a camera is installed. Can you provide that information?
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    Re: Traffic Cameras Worldwide Go Haywire

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoplite View Post
    As I said, this is a circumstantial theory, but it IS based on basic human psychology and behavior. Can you show statistics that counter the theory?

    We would need to see that the number of accidents does not decrease appreciably after a camera is installed. Can you provide that information?
    I don't need to provide counter-statistics since you offered your opinion and no proof. The onus is on you to present proof before I can.

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    Re: Traffic Cameras Worldwide Go Haywire

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    Many of the municipalities, in Missouri, that implemented the red light cameras shortened the yellow lights from 10 seconds to 3-5 seconds. This caused accidents to rise. The legislature did the best they could by presenting a workable solution with the 15 second yellow light and the 50 feet within the traffic light law. Rear end accidents can be as fatal as from the side. Pedestrians are supposed to be aware of their environment just like motorists are.
    How many is "many"? How many accidents have the cameras actually caused, vice just plain bad driving practices? Now if the yellow light is not long enough for a person to actually completely stop safely, then the problem is the timing of the yellow light, not the camera itself. The problem would exist with or without the camera.

    And, yes a pedestrian should be aware of their environment. However, humans are prone to mistakes. If you see a walk signal, you expect traffic to be stopped, not still coming at you because some idiot thought they could make a yellow light that had turned red 2 seconds earlier, the same way that the other drivers expect the cross traffic to be stopped when they get a green light. Also, car drivers need to understand that a car does a lot more damage to a person than the person will do to the car.

    How about a comparison between rear end accidents in which the person in back is slowing down (or at least should be) compared to side accidents when both cars are most likely speeding up (the one with the red light because he was trying to make the yellow and failed, and the one with the green, because he expects to have a clear green)? Which do you really believe has the highest chance of a fatality? These are the specific scenarios we are dealing with in traffic light accidents, unless there is some freak extra event.
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    Re: Traffic Cameras Worldwide Go Haywire

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    How many is "many"? How many accidents have the cameras actually caused, vice just plain bad driving practices? Now if the yellow light is not long enough for a person to actually completely stop safely, then the problem is the timing of the yellow light, not the camera itself. The problem would exist with or without the camera.

    And, yes a pedestrian should be aware of their environment. However, humans are prone to mistakes. If you see a walk signal, you expect traffic to be stopped, not still coming at you because some idiot thought they could make a yellow light that had turned red 2 seconds earlier, the same way that the other drivers expect the cross traffic to be stopped when they get a green light. Also, car drivers need to understand that a car does a lot more damage to a person than the person will do to the car.

    How about a comparison between rear end accidents in which the person in back is slowing down (or at least should be) compared to side accidents when both cars are most likely speeding up (the one with the red light because he was trying to make the yellow and failed, and the one with the green, because he expects to have a clear green)? Which do you really believe has the highest chance of a fatality? These are the specific scenarios we are dealing with in traffic light accidents, unless there is some freak extra event.
    Almost all of the municipalities did this in order to increase revenue from red light cameras. The proof is that accidents rose dramatically after the red light cameras were put into place. The problem was that the municipalities decreased the timer in conjunction with the installation of the red light cameras. The problem didn't exist before the cameras were installed.

    It doesn't matter since you are supposed to be responsible to look after your safety.

    I believe there is a miscommunication here, since in Missouri the traffic light for the other street remains red for 5 seconds to give the cars that were within 50 feet of a traffic light that turned yellow then red. The additional 5 seconds is when the all of the lights are red.

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    Re: Traffic Cameras Worldwide Go Haywire

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    I don't need to provide counter-statistics since you offered your opinion and no proof. The onus is on you to present proof before I can.
    Stop screwing around. I have a perfectly valid theory and the proof your demanding is akin to asking for proof that a person will jump out of the way if something is thrown at them. I can only guess that you are doing this to stall the debate.
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    Re: Traffic Cameras Worldwide Go Haywire

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoplite View Post
    Stop screwing around. I have a perfectly valid theory and the proof your demanding is akin to asking for proof that a person will jump out of the way if something is thrown at them. I can only guess that you are doing this to stall the debate.
    The only person that is stalling is you. I asked for proof to back up your opinion and you have yet to produce it.

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    Re: Traffic Cameras Worldwide Go Haywire

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoplite View Post
    Stop screwing around. I have a perfectly valid theory and the proof your demanding is akin to asking for proof that a person will jump out of the way if something is thrown at them. I can only guess that you are doing this to stall the debate.
    Gonna side with Patriot on this one. (wtf is that twice in one day?) You have a theory, yes, but the question is whether this actually leads to more accidents depending on the service time of the camera. You need data to show that.
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    Re: Traffic Cameras Worldwide Go Haywire

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Gonna side with Patriot on this one. (wtf is that twice in one day?) You have a theory, yes, but the question is whether this actually leads to more accidents. You need data to show that.
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    Re: Traffic Cameras Worldwide Go Haywire

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Gonna side with Patriot on this one. (wtf is that twice in one day?) You have a theory, yes, but the question is whether this actually leads to more accidents depending on the service time of the camera. You need data to show that.
    Again, I agree it's a point supported by circumstantial evidence, but a valid one none the less.

    I dont understand what proof would possibly suffice. People's tendency to get used to routine is basic knowledge that I would expect almost anyone with any real degree of intelligence to know. I'm not against offering proof but I'm confused as to what would suffice.
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    Re: Traffic Cameras Worldwide Go Haywire

    I eagerly await the day when someone invents an automatic car that drives more reliably than a human operator. It would be nice to see someone stick it to the greedy city officials who injure and kill people by tweaking speed limits and traffic lights, and sporadically enforcing their parasitic traffic laws.

    Canít pull anybody over or issue them a ticket if their cars automatically go the speed limit, stay within the lines, maintain a proper safe distance from other cars and avoid hitting things. Maybe when it becomes widespread enough, we'd see speed limits dictated by the physics of driving a car, instead of being dictated by greedy ****s willing to ignore the accidents caused by speed variance when they lower the interstate speed limits to 55 within city boundaries. (**** you, Akron)


    So many overly medicated old people and drunken celebrities out there, Iím surprised an entrepreneur hasnít realized he could make a fortune selling them self-driving cars. Not like we donít have the technology, hell, a pocket calculator from 1980 would probably be a safer driver than my grandpa.

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Gonna side with Patriot on this one. (wtf is that twice in one day?) You have a theory, yes, but the question is whether this actually leads to more accidents depending on the service time of the camera. You need data to show that.
    Why are you guys pouncing on this hypothesis like itís Serious Business? It sounds plausible enough that there is an increase in traffic accidents when cameras are first installed, followed by a decrease in accidents as everyone gets used to them.

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