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    Re: Traffic Cameras Worldwide Go Haywire

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    They do bring the photos to court, but since the state is relying upon an inanimate object to report breaking the law then the defendent must be able to face his accusor. Can you cross examine an inanimate object? Can the inanimate object prove that you were behind the wheel at the time the pictures were taken? The answer to both of those questions is no. The guy doing the processing isn't trained in law nor in forensic science and wasn't there when the pictures were taken. The article has plenty of examples of where the processors show a lack of knowledge of the law and processed tickets against innocent people.
    Does the US not have burgler alarms that automatically call the police when triggered? I could have sworn I was reading about them the other day...

    If it went to court, it would not be 'Mr Speeder vs Camera #192101'. It would be 'mr speeder vs owners of camera #192101'.
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    Re: Traffic Cameras Worldwide Go Haywire

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    The service time isn't applicable, since the presence of a red light traffic camera, functioning or not, causes people to slam on their brakes to avoid getting a red light ticket. It's human nature to avoid a penalty.
    The service time is extremely important as slamming on the brakes could be attributable to seeing a camera at an intersection where someone isnt used to seeing one.
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    Re: Traffic Cameras Worldwide Go Haywire

    Quote Originally Posted by iangb View Post
    Does the US not have burgler alarms that automatically call the police when triggered? I could have sworn I was reading about them the other day...

    If it went to court, it would not be 'Mr Speeder vs Camera #192101'. It would be 'mr speeder vs owners of camera #192101'.
    Yes, there are burgler alarms, but they are not used in the actual prosecution of a case as proof you had committed a crime. That part is done by the police investigating it and do have the training and authority to do it.

    No, it would Mr. Speeder vs Municipality or County or State, since the government is doing the actual prosecution. The camera functions as the primary eyewitness to an event and functions as the accusor.

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    Re: Traffic Cameras Worldwide Go Haywire

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoplite View Post
    The service time is extremely important as slamming on the brakes could be attributable to seeing a camera at an intersection where someone isnt used to seeing one.
    Prove that statement please with data.
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    Re: Traffic Cameras Worldwide Go Haywire

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    The service time isn't applicable, since the presence of a red light traffic camera, functioning or not, causes people to slam on their brakes to avoid getting a red light ticket. It's human nature to avoid a penalty.
    Well considering yellow means slow down, not go faster, maybe they should have been slowing down to begin with, then the brake slam wouldn't have been necessary. Blaming traffic cameras for bad driving practices is not a very good defense.

    Also, which accident do you think is more fatal, a hit from behind as that car is slowing down (after all the guy in front of them was just about to run a red light), or being slammed into from the side from cross traffic as that car is speeding up because you just ran a red light. Not to mention, running a red light also puts pedestrians in danger.
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    Re: Traffic Cameras Worldwide Go Haywire

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Well considering yellow means slow down, not go faster, maybe they should have been slowing down to begin with, then the brake slam wouldn't have been necessary. Blaming traffic cameras for bad driving practices is not a very good defense.

    Also, which accident do you think is more fatal, a hit from behind as that car is slowing down (after all the guy in front of them was just about to run a red light), or being slammed into from the side from cross traffic as that car is speeding up because you just ran a red light. Not to mention, running a red light also puts pedestrians in danger.
    Many of the municipalities, in Missouri, that implemented the red light cameras shortened the yellow lights from 10 seconds to 3-5 seconds. This caused accidents to rise. The legislature did the best they could by presenting a workable solution with the 15 second yellow light and the 50 feet within the traffic light law. Rear end accidents can be as fatal as from the side. Pedestrians are supposed to be aware of their environment just like motorists are.

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    Re: Traffic Cameras Worldwide Go Haywire

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    Prove that statement please with data.
    That's basic common sense.
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    Re: Traffic Cameras Worldwide Go Haywire

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoplite View Post
    That's basic common sense.
    So I take that as no you do not have any data to back up your assertation.

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    Re: Traffic Cameras Worldwide Go Haywire

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    So I take that as no you do not have any data to back up your assertation.
    Again, this is basic human instinct. What exactly do you want?

    If someone is accustomed to there being no camera at an intersection so they take less care knowing there isnt anything there to catch them but then they see a camera that was just installed out of the corner of their eye and slam on the brakes to avoid tripping the camera. As time goes by, people make mental notes of which intersections have cameras and accidents may decrease.

    It's circumstantial but entirely reasonable.
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    Re: Traffic Cameras Worldwide Go Haywire

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoplite View Post
    Again, this is basic human instinct. What exactly do you want?

    If someone is accustomed to there being no camera at an intersection so they take less care knowing there isnt anything there to catch them but then they see a camera that was just installed out of the corner of their eye and slam on the brakes to avoid tripping the camera. As time goes by, people make mental notes of which intersections have cameras and accidents may decrease.

    It's circumstantial but entirely reasonable.
    I want you to back up your position with data to prove that to be true.

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