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    Re: Govt watchdog criticizes handling of car dealers

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Show that GM would, with absolute certainty, have failed if the dealerships were not closed -- that there was NO other possible outcome, should the dealerships remain open.
    Show that they wouldnt

    While you are at it, show that GM did not have to cut wages and benifits, or close plants in order to survive
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    Re: Govt watchdog criticizes handling of car dealers

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Lesse..

    Closing businesses = higher unemployment

    Higher unemployment =
    -more people dependant on the government - Good for The Obama
    -better case for a 'crisis' = easier to implement policy that expands government - Good for The Obama
    + eventual recovery = more people giving credit for their better economic state - Good for The Obama.

    So, its not hard to see how the consequences might not have been so unintended.
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    High unemployement generally reflects poorly on the president, usually resulting in election loses. Bad for Obama

    High government deficits, reflect badly on the president, bad for Obama.

    Overall if Obama wanted high unemployement he could have let GM and Chrysler go under as many wanted. The unemployement rate would have skyrocketed then, by your reasoning Obama would have loved that
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    Re: Govt watchdog criticizes handling of car dealers

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Lesse..

    Closing businesses = higher unemployment

    Higher unemployment =
    -more people dependant on the government - Good for The Obama
    -better case for a 'crisis' = easier to implement policy that expands government - Good for The Obama
    + eventual recovery = more people giving credit for their better economic state - Good for The Obama.

    So, its not hard to see how the consequences might not have been so unintended.
    onh my. i guess that's all i need to see.

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    Re: Govt watchdog criticizes handling of car dealers

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    Show that they wouldnt
    Bszzzzt. Nice try.

    YOU are arguing that your legitimate criticism of the conclusion is that GM wanted to close the dealerships anyway. Thus, the onus, given the claims in question, for providing support lies with you.

    YOU argue that the closings were indeed NECESSARY to keep GM alive. It is up to YOU to show this to be true - it is up to YOU to show that GM would, with absolute certainty, have failed if the dealerships were not closed -- that there was NO other possible outcome, should the dealerships remain open.

    Its clear that you cannot show any such thing - and thus, your question of the conclusions presented falls short.

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    Re: Govt watchdog criticizes handling of car dealers

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    High unemployement generally reflects poorly on the president, usually resulting in election loses. Bad for Obama
    You're thnking on too small a scale.
    The Obama and His ilk are more than willing to accept short term setbacks for long term gain.

    High government deficits, reflect badly on the president, bad for Obama.
    See above.
    Add to that the fact that the only time The Obama's people care about deficits are when a Republican is in office, as evidenced by the vast multitude of excuses they offer for same.

    Overall if Obama wanted high unemployement he could have let GM and Chrysler go under as many wanted.
    And lose the long-term political committment of the unions to the Democratic party?
    Not a chance.

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    Re: Govt watchdog criticizes handling of car dealers

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Bszzzzt. Nice try.

    YOU are arguing that your legitimate criticism of the conclusion is that GM wanted to close the dealerships anyway. Thus, the onus, given the claims in question, for providing support lies with you.

    YOU argue that the closings were indeed NECESSARY to keep GM alive. It is up to YOU to show this to be true - it is up to YOU to show that GM would, with absolute certainty, have failed if the dealerships were not closed -- that there was NO other possible outcome, should the dealerships remain open.

    Its clear that you cannot show any such thing - and thus, your question of the conclusions presented falls short.
    I have argued that GM wanted to close the dealerships for business reasons, that the government followed through with that. That is all I need to do. It was not a government plot, but a rational business decision to help make GM a more viable operation, rather then some who feel the government should be in the business of subsidizing car dealerships
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    Re: Govt watchdog criticizes handling of car dealers

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    onh my. i guess that's all i need to see.
    ...which then results of you running away, knowing you dont have anything of value to add.

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    Re: Govt watchdog criticizes handling of car dealers

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    I have argued that GM wanted to close the dealerships for business reasons, that the government followed through with that. That is all I need to do. It was not a government plot, but a rational business decision to help make GM a more viable operation, rather then some who feel the government should be in the business of subsidizing car dealerships
    YOU are arguing that your legitimate criticism of the conclusion is that GM wanted to close the dealerships anyway. YOU have to then show how this was NECESSARY for GM to survive. You originally admitted that you could show no such thing, and then reversed yourself.

    So, show that GM would, with absolute certainty, have failed if the dealerships were not closed -- that there was NO other possible outcome, should the dealerships remain open.

    Else, your 'question' falls short.

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    Re: Govt watchdog criticizes handling of car dealers

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    You're thnking on too small a scale.
    The Obama and His ilk are more than willing to accept short term setbacks for long term gain.
    The democrats are likely to lose a lot of seats in the up coming midterms, possibly losing control of both Congress and Senate, hard to get anything done in such cases for long term gains
    See above.
    Add to that the fact that the only time The Obama's people care about deficits are when a Republican is in office, as evidenced by the vast multitude of excuses they offer for same.
    I think that goes both ways does it not Republicans only care when it is a democratic deficit, democrats when it is a republican one
    And lose the long-term political committment of the unions to the Democratic party?
    Not a chance.
    But think of the gains that would be made by having another 8% on top of the 9% currently unemployed that Obama could make
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    Re: Govt watchdog criticizes handling of car dealers

    The report also cannot prove that the dealership closings were not necessary. I fail to see how the administration is at fault here when they took a nearly failed auto business and completely turned it around.
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