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    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Again, you fail to comprehend the implications inherent to the use of the term 'necessary'.

    Cutting the dealerships was only -necessary- if failing to do so would have resulted in the demise of the company and the failure of the economic recovery.

    You have absolutely NO hope of demonstrating any such thing.
    Economic recovery no of course not, but the company yes

    GM was and is losing money, it needed/s to cut all the cost it can. The dealerships were one of those costs. Unless you feel the government should be in the business of supporting dealerships

    Or more to the point

    If the government was to provide GM with even more money in order to keep those dealerships open as part of the stimulus package, without any regards to the long term survival of GM .would that have made you happy. More government money to support the unproductive
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    Re: Govt watchdog criticizes handling of car dealers

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    Economic recovery no of course not...
    So you -do- agree with that part of the conclusiom

    but the company yes
    Show that GM would, with absolute certainty, have failed if the dealerships were not closed -- that there was NO other possible outcome, should the dealerships remain open.

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    Re: Govt watchdog criticizes handling of car dealers

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    So you -do- agree with that part of the conclusiom


    Show that GM would, with absolute certainty, have failed if the dealerships were not closed -- that there was NO other possible outcome, should the dealerships remain open.
    Is or is not GM losing money right now?

    Does that not mean GM has to cut costs and make more money in order to survive? GM can not shut down all its factories or layoff all its line workers, but it has to cut where it can and what it can while still remaining a viable operation. The dealership are part of the cost cutting program, along with other like layoffs of line workers (which you are not upset at by the looks of it) cuts in benifits to all employees. Could GM not have made cuts in one area (like dealership or its line workers) and still survive probably, but it still would not be ideal for the long term of the company.
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    Re: Govt watchdog criticizes handling of car dealers

    The law of unintended consequences strikes again!

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    Re: Govt watchdog criticizes handling of car dealers

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    The law of unintended consequences strikes again!
    What makes you think it was unintended?

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    Re: Govt watchdog criticizes handling of car dealers

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    Could GM not have made cuts in one area (like dealership or its line workers) and still survive[?] Probably...
    So you agree that cutting the dealerships was not NECESSARY, or, as the article states, not shown to be NECESSARY.

    And thus, you agree with the two main conclusions of the article.
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    Re: Govt watchdog criticizes handling of car dealers

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    What makes you think it was unintended?
    Lets see is this the meme

    " The Obama admin wanted the dealerships closed because most of them were owned by Republican supporters"

    Did I get that right
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    Re: Govt watchdog criticizes handling of car dealers

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    So you agree that cutting the dealerships was not NECESSARY, or, as the article states, not shown to be NECESSARY.

    And thus, you agree with the two main conclusions of the article.
    No the cuts were needed for the long term survival of GM, along with the cuts in wages, salaries, benifits, plants operated by GM and the total number of employees. GM could have survived for a short period of time without making the cuts, but not over the long term. GM once out of bankrupcty could not have cut the dealerships without a large financial penalty, and as such it had to make the cuts when it was in bankrupcty to save money
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    Re: Govt watchdog criticizes handling of car dealers

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    Lets see is this the meme

    " The Obama admin wanted the dealerships closed because most of them were owned by Republican supporters"

    Did I get that right
    Lesse..

    Closing businesses = higher unemployment

    Higher unemployment =
    -more people dependant on the government - Good for The Obama
    -better case for a 'crisis' = easier to implement policy that expands government - Good for The Obama
    + eventual recovery = more people giving credit for their better economic state - Good for The Obama.

    So, its not hard to see how the consequences might not have been so unintended.

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    Re: Govt watchdog criticizes handling of car dealers

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    No the cuts were needed... GM could have survived for a short period of time without making the cuts, but not over the long term
    Show that GM would, with absolute certainty, have failed if the dealerships were not closed -- that there was NO other possible outcome, should the dealerships remain open.

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