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    Re: Govt watchdog criticizes handling of car dealers

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    That's YOUR presumption. The story says:
    The bailout, not the cuts. The bailout is the reason GM still exists at all, is what I was saying.

    But yes, if these particular job cuts were truly unnecessary then it was a bad decision. But somebody saying so doesn't necessarily make it so.
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    Re: Govt watchdog criticizes handling of car dealers

    Quote Originally Posted by The Dane View Post
    No, the story contradicts itself:
    In so far as the charge was answered by an adminitration official disagreed with a report that makes the administration look bad.

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    Re: Govt watchdog criticizes handling of car dealers

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    The bailout, not the cuts. The bailout is the reason GM still exists at all, is what I was saying.
    10-4.

    But yes, if these particular job cuts were truly unnecessary then it was a bad decision. But somebody saying so doesn't necessarily make it so.
    Do you have a specific reason to question the credibility of the group or or the accuracy of its conclusion?
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    Re: Govt watchdog criticizes handling of car dealers

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Yes.
    An adminitration official disagreed with a report that makes the administration look bad.
    What a surprise.
    Uhh, your entire premise was that the treasury could not show why they made those cuts and that it was completely theory. Wellllll here is someone from the treasury completely disagreeing with that so you're kind of **** out of luck there son.
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    Re: Govt watchdog criticizes handling of car dealers

    Quote Originally Posted by The Dane View Post
    Uhh, your entire premise was that the treasury could not show why they made those cuts and that it was completely theory. Wellllll here is someone from the treasury completely disagreeing with that so you're kind of **** out of luck there son.
    Somebody (who has a vested interest in protecting the credibility of the Administration from news that makes it look bad) saying so doesn't necessarily make it so.

    Do you have a specific reason to question the credibility of the group or the accuracy of its conclusion?

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    Re: Govt watchdog criticizes handling of car dealers

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Somebody (who has a vested interest in protecting the credibility of the Administration from news that makes it look bad) saying so doesn't necessarily make it so.

    Do you have a specific reason to question the credibility of the group or the accuracy of its conclusion?
    Yes

    The accuracy of the conclusion is in question because GM wanted to close some dealerships before its bankruptcy and was doing so




    Car dealers close as Ford, GM, Chrysler keep cutting - USATODAY.com
    Having shuttered factories and eliminated hundreds of thousands of automaking jobs, Ford Motor (F), General Motors (GM) and Chrysler are now turning their attention to weeding out weaker dealers in bigger metro markets. They make fewer vehicles, so they don't need as many places to sell them.

    Keystone was neither one of the biggest nor most prominent dealers. But it is one of the many that are disappearing. GM has reduced its dealerships by 229 to 6,807 in the past year; Ford had shrunk by 139 to fewer than 4,140 as of July; and Chrysler had eliminated 142 to 3,607 as of October.

    Auto dealerships are almost always privately owned, either by big chains or individual families such as Stutzke's. Automakers are forced to argue, pay off or otherwise persuade the feeble ones to give

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    The Treas was just accerating the closing of dealerships that would at the end of the day make GM and Chrysler more competitive and likely to survive
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    Re: Govt watchdog criticizes handling of car dealers

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Somebody (who has a vested interest in protecting the credibility of the Administration from news that makes it look bad) saying so doesn't necessarily make it so.

    Do you have a specific reason to question the credibility of the group or the accuracy of its conclusion?
    Yeah. It makes the administration look like the incompetent, fools they are.

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    Re: Govt watchdog criticizes handling of car dealers

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    The accuracy of the conclusion is in question because GM wanted to close some dealerships before its bankruptcy and was doing so
    This doesnt question the accuracy of the conclusion in any way - that GM may have wanted to close some dealerships doesnt necessarily mean that closing those dealerships were necessary for the survival of GM, the success fo the bail-out or the success fo the stimulus in general.

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    Re: Govt watchdog criticizes handling of car dealers

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    This doesnt question the accuracy of the conclusion in any way - that GM may have wanted to close some dealerships doesnt necessarily mean that closing those dealerships were necessary for the survival of GM, the success fo the bail-out or the success fo the stimulus in general.
    The closure of weak dealerships would cost GM less money in advertising, provide better customer service (through better capitalized dealerships) probably increase sales over time.

    GM wanted to dump a large number of dealerships before it went into bankruptcy to make it a more profitable car company not just because it felt like it. It's bankrupcty and the government assistance allowed it to do what it wanted to do before, quicker and with less costs to the company. Overall GM would not have wanted to close the dealerships without a good reason (ie to make GM more money) which does mean the government closing the dealerships would have the same cause
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    Re: Govt watchdog criticizes handling of car dealers

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    The closure of weak dealerships would cost GM less money in advertising, provide better customer service (through better capitalized dealerships) probably increase sales over time.

    GM wanted to dump a large number of dealerships before it went into bankruptcy to make it a more profitable car company not just because it felt like it. It's bankrupcty and the government assistance allowed it to do what it wanted to do before, quicker and with less costs to the company. Overall GM would not have wanted to close the dealerships without a good reason (ie to make GM more money) which does mean the government closing the dealerships would have the same cause
    You're just re-stating your original premise, in an expanded form. Doing so does not negate my presponse, and does not create a specific question as to the credibility of the conclusion.

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