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    Re: Neo-Nazi Group Patrolling Ariz. Border

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    @ The Dane -- Exactly. How do we secure a border that's 2,000 miles long? It can't be done. It's a useless waste of resources to try. Our Congress and the White House (not just this one, as you point out, but seemingly forever) knows what it's going to take to solve this problem -- go after the businesses that give them jobs. But they're not. If this neo Nazi group gives them pause, it should. Everyone but the government sworn to protect us is sick of it. So, while I rather agree with you that their presence is insignificant, I hope it causes a great deal of embarrassment.

    I'd also point out to anyone who'll listen that these workers crossing the borders to work in the fields are bringing their children with them -- and working them too. It's just a shame. And we should be ashamed.

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    Actually, Obama is going after business's that give them jobs. I don't know how you're going to react to this but he is.

    BREWSTER, Wash. — The Obama administration has replaced immigration raids at factories and farms with a quieter enforcement strategy: sending federal agents to scour companies’ records for illegal immigrant workers.

    While the sweeps of the past commonly led to the deportation of such workers, the “silent raids,” as employers call the audits, usually result in the workers being fired, but in many cases they are not deported.

    Over the past year, Immigration and Customs Enforcement has conducted audits of employee files at more than 2,900 companies. The agency has levied a record $3 million in civil fines so far this year on businesses that hired unauthorized immigrants, according to official figures. Thousands of those workers have been fired, immigrant groups estimate.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/10/us/10enforce.html

    Also, deporting them is an absolute nightmare. First of all, you can't just send them all back to Mexico as alot of them aren't from Mexico, they could be from one of a dozen other countries SOUTH of Mexico. Even if you did find out where each and every single one of them came from, who's to say that these countries will accept them? Also, once you do figure out where they are from, and their countries take them, whats to stop them from crossing the border again, and by then the government has already spent millions and millions of our tax dollars to go in ONE BIG CIRCLE.

    This is also why I think a lot of government officials simply don't want to tackle this issue. It has virtually no practical solutions, and plus whatever action you take you're bound to piss off one group of people and hurt your election results.
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    Re: Neo-Nazi Group Patrolling Ariz. Border

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    This part of my link says it all. What I want to know is if the Arizona government is going to put a stop to this group, or if it is going to turn a blind eye to a swastika wearing group that would, in a heartbeat, fire up the ovens for the Jews again, if given half a chance. Whether or not you believe that Arizona is doing the right thing with its new laws, you certainly don't want scum like these patrolling the border. This is America, dammit!! Send these slimeballs back to Stormfront, where they belong.

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    Why are you blaming the state when its the Federal failure that fuels their need for publicity?

    Why are you not asking the Feds to do something about them?
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    Re: Neo-Nazi Group Patrolling Ariz. Border

    If its a federal issue then you agree with Obama for sueing Arizona's state action?

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    Re: Neo-Nazi Group Patrolling Ariz. Border

    Quote Originally Posted by The Dane View Post
    I'm actually worried for the Neo Nazi's. They're not very intelligent to start with and now they're wandering the deserts looking for illegal immigrants when more likely they'll run into smugglers and get shot from a mile away.
    Since you ducked Harry Guerrilla's question about you knowing the criminal records of these guys I'll take it you don't know and you made another baseless accusation.

    Thanks for staying predictable.
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    Re: Neo-Nazi Group Patrolling Ariz. Border

    Quote Originally Posted by The Dane View Post
    They're not assembling peacefully. They have an objective not a message and that's to patrol the border for Mexicans and other countries immigrants trying to enter. I don't understand why this is tolerated. Its against the law to patrol neighborhoods and intervene in conflicts better handled by the police and it should be against the law to patrol the border looking for a conflict.

    These people are NOT like minute men who are simply looking to patrol the border. The minute men's message is a stronger border security. Neo Nazi's message is one of hate.
    Do you have any evidence to support your claims or is this more baseless theory from someone incapable of supporting yourself with any facts whatsoever?

    No one likes the Nazis but that doesn't give you the right to generalize and make phony allegations without a shred of proof to back up your claims.
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    Re: Neo-Nazi Group Patrolling Ariz. Border

    Quote Originally Posted by The Dane View Post
    If its a federal issue then you agree with Obama for sueing Arizona's state action?
    Its the fault of the Feds because they haven't done their job making the Neo Nazis their responsibility.

    Are you so woefully uninformed that you didn't even know Arizona's law hasn't even gone into enforcement yet?
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    Re: Neo-Nazi Group Patrolling Ariz. Border

    It doesn't have to go into enforcement for it to be sued by the feds.

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    Re: Neo-Nazi Group Patrolling Ariz. Border

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    It doesn't have to go into enforcement for it to be sued by the feds.
    We're talking about responsiblity here. Try to keep up.
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    Re: Neo-Nazi Group Patrolling Ariz. Border

    Hi, The Dane -- I did know about that -- saw it a few days ago -- I think it was here on the boards. If he keeps going on that, I'll be such a happy camper!! $3 million in fines isn't much, when you think about it, but it sure sends a message to the border companies that are hiring these people.
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    Re: Neo-Nazi Group Patrolling Ariz. Border

    Quote Originally Posted by The Dane View Post
    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/10/us/10enforce.html

    Also, deporting them is an absolute nightmare. First of all, you can't just send them all back to Mexico as alot of them aren't from Mexico, they could be from one of a dozen other countries SOUTH of Mexico. Even if you did find out where each and every single one of them came from, who's to say that these countries will accept them? Also, once you do figure out where they are from, and their countries take them, whats to stop them from crossing the border again, and by then the government has already spent millions and millions of our tax dollars to go in ONE BIG CIRCLE.

    This is also why I think a lot of government officials simply don't want to tackle this issue. It has virtually no practical solutions, and plus whatever action you take you're bound to piss off one group of people and hurt your election results.
    Well... Ya, that does make for a tricky situation... simpler solution, determine what country they are actually from, and use that as the guideline of what to do with them at that point. It's been argued before (for Iraqi's) that if they aren't 'citizens' then they don't qualify for human rights protections... too bad that sets such a dangerous precedent.

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