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    Re: Neo-Nazi Group Patrolling Ariz. Border

    I know the police departments are usually aware of them. And that there is a national organization offering training. I'm not sure that means that these neighborhood watch groups are controlled by law enforcement - or that all of them are registered because they have to be registered. I think it's just a cooperative effort. (Or do you have a link otherwise?)

    If five guys in my neighborhood decide they want to patrol our neighborhood streets on Friday nights,and they're doing nothing wrong, why would they be arrested? It hasn't come to that yet, has it?
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    Re: Neo-Nazi Group Patrolling Ariz. Border

    I was not making an issue with peacfully or violently. I was responded to the fact that these guys are not simply protesting, they are not simply issueing a MESSAGE, they have an objective and its one that should be handled better by officers trained to deal with smugglers and a myriad of other conflicts that could arise. It should not be handled by people who HATE the border crossers.

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    Re: Neo-Nazi Group Patrolling Ariz. Border

    Quote Originally Posted by The Dane View Post
    I was not making an issue with peacfully or violently. I was responded to the fact that these guys are not simply protesting, they are not simply issueing a MESSAGE, they have an objective and its one that should be handled better by officers trained to deal with smugglers and a myriad of other conflicts that could arise. It should not be handled by people who HATE the border crossers.
    Their actions have been peaceful so far, reporting illegal border crossing to the authorities and giving the illegal aliens water.

    I think it's wise of them to be armed, seeing as this was the same area that a border agent was killed.
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    Re: Neo-Nazi Group Patrolling Ariz. Border

    I must have missed something -- I didn't get the feeling they were protesting. I picked up that they were patrolling the borders. What do you think their objective is if it's not to flesh out smugglers and illegals? Look the U.S. government brought this problem about all by its lonesome. People are sick and tired of being sick and tired. If these neo-Nazi's are giving pause to these people who break the law at will, I for one won't be looking to hard to find fault. Assuming they are not breaking any laws.
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    Re: Neo-Nazi Group Patrolling Ariz. Border

    Look, I agree with the fact that they aren't doing anything illegal. Its just my opinion that hate groups shouldn't be patrolling the border. As far as taking legal action against them, I don't see anything that could be done unless they harm an immigrant, and I'm not saying they will, but given their groups message we are playing with fire here.

    I do not agree that the news report was delivered to smeer other minute men.

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    Re: Neo-Nazi Group Patrolling Ariz. Border

    Quote Originally Posted by The Dane View Post
    Look, I agree with the fact that they aren't doing anything illegal. Its just my opinion that hate groups shouldn't be patrolling the border. As far as taking legal action against them, I don't see anything that could be done unless they harm an immigrant, and I'm not saying they will, but given their groups message we are playing with fire here.
    No doubt their beliefs suck.

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    Re: Neo-Nazi Group Patrolling Ariz. Border

    @ The Dane -- Am I 100% comfortable with it? No. We're probably not very far apart here, looks like. What I do think is quite valuable about their participation is that it again shoves a pie in the face of our federal government. Do your freakin' job.

    I like your post -- good information.
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    Re: Neo-Nazi Group Patrolling Ariz. Border

    I agree we should be patrolling the border, and I agree that this administration as well as the last adminstration and the one before that, and before that ect has not taken care of this issue. However, we have a huge border and its a border on the scale that throughout history people have not been able to successfully control.

    For example, remember the Berlin wall? Look how small that thing is compared to our entire southern border. Look how drastically authoritarian, shoot anyone who crosses, barbed fence, 15ft below AND ABOVE cement wall style control they had and STILL people were smuggling stuff through it. Imagine having to try and control a wall 100's of times bigger then that.

    I completely agree we should control the border, I'm just not so sure that men in SUV's driving around with binoculars is going to help.

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    Re: Neo-Nazi Group Patrolling Ariz. Border

    @ The Dane -- Exactly. How do we secure a border that's 2,000 miles long? It can't be done. It's a useless waste of resources to try. Our Congress and the White House (not just this one, as you point out, but seemingly forever) knows what it's going to take to solve this problem -- go after the businesses that give them jobs. But they're not. If this neo Nazi group gives them pause, it should. Everyone but the government sworn to protect us is sick of it. So, while I rather agree with you that their presence is insignificant, I hope it causes a great deal of embarrassment.

    I'd also point out to anyone who'll listen that these workers crossing the borders to work in the fields are bringing their children with them -- and working them too. It's just a shame. And we should be ashamed.

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    Re: Neo-Nazi Group Patrolling Ariz. Border

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    OK, would you be cool with the New Black Panther party patrolling the suburbs of Atlanta?
    It depends what they are patrolling for... if they are patrolling for white men to kill, then they should be stopped as quickly as they violate the law. However, if they are acting as a posse because the police aren't stopping crime, and they are telling their fellow black men to act like men, or place them under citizens arrest, and drag them to the police station... really, all the power to them.

    That said, I abhor the new black panther parties open statements to "kill some crackers. Kill some of their babies."

    Now, that said, you go around calling for people to be killed, you will wind up getting arrested, or at least detained and asked questions, unless you've got FBI funding / handling / employment.

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    So what you're saying is we should wait for them to shoot people?
    If they are patrolling the border and someone shoots at them, and they shoot back, that would be defined as justifiable manslaughter.

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    OK, so we take a group that adores Adolf Hitler, and is racist as hell, and we give them the right to do law enforcement? Not in MY country we don't.
    It is within a citizens rights to place individuals under a 'citizens arrest'. There are certain guidelines to the process though, mainly that you must witness directly the crime being committed.

    Ultimately, because it's border country, how about we just stop these guys by putting the army in control, take that line of tanks that crossed Iraq and have it drive lines through the border country in a moving patrol. I'd honestly rather see the army then citizens, regardless of their political affiliations, though I'd rather see citizens take on the job then leave the border as porous as it is.

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    If five guys in my neighborhood decide they want to patrol our neighborhood streets on Friday nights,and they're doing nothing wrong, why would they be arrested? It hasn't come to that yet, has it?
    Exactly, they should not be arrested... and once they stop a crime or two from happening, then they might gain a reputation and some clout within the community. Community based solutions are among the best ideas in terms of solutions to the problems going on. Though, the border really is a millitary concern.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Dane View Post
    Look, I agree with the fact that they aren't doing anything illegal. Its just my opinion that hate groups shouldn't be patrolling the border. As far as taking legal action against them, I don't see anything that could be done unless they harm an immigrant, and I'm not saying they will, but given their groups message we are playing with fire here.

    I do not agree that the news report was delivered to smeer other minute men.
    I wouldn't go as far as minutemen explicitly, however, it's more like a general smear against ANYONE that wants to close the border.

    Ready said he's planning patrols throughout the summer.

    "If they don't want my people out there, then there's an easy way to send us home: Secure the border," he said. "We'll put our guns back on the shelf, and that'll be the end of that."
    So, it might be some people that are legitimately pissed about the border issue and Obama's preference of Mexicans over Americans, and they decided to claim to be a neo-nazi group in order to get a stronger reaction... so, by NOT stopping these people, it's like Obama conceding that it's better to have neo-nazi citizens patrolling the border, then the constitutionally mandated millitary presence.

    Afterall, there's only about 5 jobs that the federal government even has a legitimate job to do... one of those being to secure the border. Ya, it's tough.,.. but if we can invade several countries simultaneously, but we can't stop the people walking into our border, it creates a legitimate national security threat, and shows really how pathetic the country is... the Canada - US border is definately alot longer, but really... I'd bet it's tougher to get through the canadian side then the mexican side.

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