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    Re: AIDS conference chief lashes out at world leaders

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    and you expect to get that done through private charity?
    I'm a realist when it comes to poverty and the social ills in the US. I believe that no amount of government and private charity will be able to cure them. However, the effort should be made first in the US then anywhere else in the world.

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    Re: AIDS conference chief lashes out at world leaders

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    I'm a realist when it comes to poverty and the social ills in the US. I believe that no amount of government and private charity will be able to cure them. However, the effort should be made first in the US then anywhere else in the world.
    so you think nothing can be done in the US, but refuse to help where it can make a difference.
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    Re: AIDS conference chief lashes out at world leaders

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    so you think nothing can be done in the US, but refuse to help where it can make a difference.
    I don't see Africans paying in taxes to the government here, so why should our tax dollars go to help them?

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    Re: AIDS conference chief lashes out at world leaders

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    I don't see Africans paying in taxes to the government here, so why should our tax dollars go to help them?
    so do you take that stance with everything, you would have had no qualms if the international community did not offer the US $854 million after hurricane katrina?
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    Re: AIDS conference chief lashes out at world leaders

    Quote Originally Posted by Moon View Post
    That's ridiculous, of course they can.
    Uh, not in the quantities that make a difference. Look up the deals struck with Israeli and Indian producers to provide at cost drugs to African nations. Charities don't have the clout to get pharm companies to agree to international conventions to bypass patent laws.
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    Re: AIDS conference chief lashes out at world leaders

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    so do you take that stance with everything, you would have had no qualms if the international community did not offer the US $854 million after hurricane katrina?
    Yes, I do take that stance with everything. What the international community does is up to them. I have no say in their government nor do I pay taxes to it.

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    Re: AIDS conference chief lashes out at world leaders

    Quote Originally Posted by The Dane View Post
    No they don't, but giving money to fund aids relief does. It's also true that there's no ****ing way Jesus would have liked conservative's lack of compassion and social welfare.
    It's not that Conservatives don't like giving someone else a hand up. It is that they don't want the government dictating to them how to do it. I will say it right now - Those who don't give a damn about the poor are most likely going straight to hell. On the other hand, our nation is founded on a principle of separation of church and state. I see a lot of Liberals who bring up this argument against Conservatives who push religious principles, but these same Liberals would use a religious principle to support their own point of view. Pretty hypocritical, if you ask me. Just keep the Bible out of it. We are NOT a theocracy. Remember that, Libs.
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    Re: AIDS conference chief lashes out at world leaders

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    And someone doesn't see why we should help. Even when it's in our own interest for security.

    Basic development lesson.

    AIDs destroys the basic fabric of society by killing off the working age group. That reduces economic activity and reduces the wealth of countries on an average income basis. With less money, less schooling is available to students. With no parents to take care of children and little schooling, children are sent into the work force and often easy prey to radicals. Furthermore, with many AIDs infected countries have already massive debt servicing requirements, less and less money is reinvested into the economy. This is a vicious cycle that guts the economy of a country and ensures that it never gets out of poverty.

    Generally rich countries with good education systems don't have sizable terrorist groups coming from them. There is a reason the US is increasing aid to parts of Africa. We do not want another front in our war on terrorism.
    No, you are wrong, completely and utterly. You are attempting, poorly, to claim that poor countries spawn terrorist. How many terrorist have been from poor destitute backgrounds? Hmmm?

    Bin Laden? Oh nope, how about Atta? Nope. The list of middleclass or better back ground terrorist is quite long. Nice try.
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    Re: AIDS conference chief lashes out at world leaders

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    No, you are wrong, completely and utterly. You are attempting, poorly, to claim that poor countries spawn terrorist. How many terrorist have been from poor destitute backgrounds? Hmmm?

    Bin Laden? Oh nope, how about Atta? Nope. The list of middleclass or better back ground terrorist is quite long. Nice try.
    how many suicide bombers are educated? if smart people are going to be terrorists, they'll be like bin laden, and take the planning side of it, its the impoverished dumb ****s that are the ones who blow themselves up.
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    Re: AIDS conference chief lashes out at world leaders

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    No, you are wrong, completely and utterly. You are attempting, poorly, to claim that poor countries spawn terrorist.
    Tell me, how many of the insurgents who actually fight come from middle class families? (hint: This is the first sign you are as usual wrong)
    Then tell me, are the youth signing up with the Islamic militants in Somalia coming from middle class families? (hint: This is the second sign you are as usual wrong)
    After that, tell me the taliban fighters from Pakistan coming from wealth families who sent their children to good schools joining the fight against NATO troops? (hint: This is the third sign you are as usual wrong)

    How many terrorist have been from poor destitute backgrounds? Hmmm?
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    Lots.

    The majority who are actually fighting.

    Bin Laden? Oh nope, how about Atta? Nope. The list of middleclass or better back ground terrorist is quite long. Nice try.
    Apparently picking out the leaders somehow invalidates the thousands who actually fight on the front lines. More bad staistics from Mr. V.

    Your fatal flaw is focusing entirely on high profile cases rather then the terrorists fighting every day.
    Last edited by obvious Child; 07-18-10 at 11:39 PM.
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