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    Re: Immigrant deaths in Arizona desert soaring in July

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    The reason being is that most Americans do not want to work in the high heat of Texas or anywhere else. Employers need to find a source of labor that will be willing to work in those conditions.

    Why do you people always forget the important part?

    Some Americans don't want to work in the heat FOR THE WAGES OFFERED.

    Which means the employer has to offer a higher wage, not turn around and break the law by hiring criminals from Mexico.

    If we want more Americans to have the urge to work in the heat of Texas, all we need to do is stop subsidizing indolence. Cancel all unconstitutional entitlement scams, including FDR's and Johnson's welfare scams. There'll be lots of people out lookin' for work in the fields then.

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    Re: Immigrant deaths in Arizona desert soaring in July

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I'm guessing it's a purely Constitutional issue. I could imagine the Federal government doesn't want to set a precedent that states can decide how to enforce a Federal law. It's bogus, though.
    Got nothing to do with it. The established powers don't want the peons at the state level rocking the boat. They're thinking if Arizona gets away with it, 48 other states, excludin California, are going to want to try it. And that would make all those entrenched politicians look bad, not to mention the loss of bribe money.

    So the racist Holder Justice Department is going to go after Arizona with every frivolous cockamamie idea Obama and Gang can think up.

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    Re: Immigrant deaths in Arizona desert soaring in July

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    Do you really think Americans are that lazy to not want to work because it is too hot? That is laughable.

    I challenge you to go try to hire any day workers. They do not work for peanuts.

    They are not coming over the border to work for little money. They know the construction jobs are out there that have a high pay rate, and yes those are jobs that unemployeed americans can and want to do.
    Yes, I do think that. This is why the bulk of migrant farm workers are of latino descent in the southwest and California. They are willing to do the work where the majority of Americans would not. Americans would rather take a government hand out then perform manual labor such as working out in the fields.

    When I was a kid, I worked for one of the major seed companies doing roguing and I was paid minimum wage to be out in the fields no matter the weather conditions. I worked from dawn till dusk and it was hard, back breaking work. To this day, labor such as this is still minimum wage with more and more of the workforce being replaced by migrant farm workers. I challenge you to work a summer out in the fields and let me know if the pay is worth the amount of manual labor you have to expend.

    They come over the border to work for any type of money no matter how much or how little. The bulk of their money goes back to their families in Mexico. When I was much, much younger, I've known illegals that 10-12 of them share an apartment just so they can send the money home. Check the exchange rate of dollars to pesos sometime. I just checked it and for 1 USD=12.81 Pesos. With the standard of living far lower in Mexico than in the US, the minimum/below minimum wage US jobs will allow a family to live comfortably for an entire year in Mexico. The entire point of all this is that these illegals aren't here to make a living here in the US, but to make a living for their families still in Mexico.
    Last edited by The_Patriot; 07-18-10 at 07:03 PM.

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    Re: Immigrant deaths in Arizona desert soaring in July

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Dying in the heat - coming here illegally or legally shouldn't be a death sentence.

    If they don't want to die in the desert, they should stay home.

    Their body, their choice, they're lucky I'm not allowed to plant land mines in the desert for them.

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    Re: Immigrant deaths in Arizona desert soaring in July

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    Yes, I do think that. This is why the bulk of migrant farm workers are of latino descent in the southwest and California. They are willing to do the work where the majority of Americans would not. Americans would rather take a government hand out then perform manual labor such as working out in the fields.

    When I was a kid, I worked for one of the major seed companies doing roguing and I was paid minimum wage to be out in the fields no matter the weather conditions. I worked from dawn till dusk and it was hard, back breaking work. To this day, labor such as this is still minimum wage with more and more of the workforce being replaced by migrant farm workers. I challenge you to work a summer out in the fields and let me know if the pay is worth the amount of manual labor you have to expend.

    They come over the border to work for any type of money no matter how much or how little. The bulk of their money goes back to their families in Mexico. When I was much, much younger, I've known illegals that 10-12 of them share an apartment just so they can send the money home. Check the exchange rate of dollars to pesos sometime. I just checked it and for 1 USD=12.81 Pesos. With the standard of living far lower in Mexico than in the US, the minimum/below minimum wage US jobs will allow a family to live comfortably for an entire year in Mexico. The entire point of all this is that these illegals aren't here to make a living here in the US, but to make a living for their families still in Mexico.
    No reason why that work shouldn't be minimum wage work. It requires no special skills.

    No reason why anyone in American is being offered welfare money.

    Turn off the public welfare cow, and see how many Americans won't take the farm jobs currently held by the Invaders.

    If someone can't get their crops in using local native labor for the wages offered, basic market economics say they have to raise their wages to entice more workers to sign up.

    No reason the growers should be allowed to circumvent basic market rules by side stepping the native labor force. If they can't remain profitable by paying the needed wages to local talent, they don't really have to stay in business. Not when the alternative is subsidizing the Invasion of the United States by a foreign country.

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    Re: Immigrant deaths in Arizona desert soaring in July

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    Yes, I do think that. This is why the bulk of migrant farm workers are of latino descent in the southwest and California. They are willing to do the work where the majority of Americans would not. Americans would rather take a government hand out then perform manual labor such as working out in the fields.

    When I was a kid, I worked for one of the major seed companies doing roguing and I was paid minimum wage to be out in the fields no matter the weather conditions. I worked from dawn till dusk and it was hard, back breaking work. To this day, labor such as this is still minimum wage with more and more of the workforce being replaced by migrant farm workers. I challenge you to work a summer out in the fields and let me know if the pay is worth the amount of manual labor you have to expend.

    They come over the border to work for any type of money no matter how much or how little. The bulk of their money goes back to their families in Mexico. When I was much, much younger, I've known illegals that 10-12 of them share an apartment just so they can send the money home. Check the exchange rate of dollars to pesos sometime. I just checked it and for 1 USD=12.81 Pesos. With the standard of living far lower in Mexico than in the US, the minimum/below minimum wage US jobs will allow a family to live comfortably for an entire year in Mexico. The entire point of all this is that these illegals aren't here to make a living here in the US, but to make a living for their families still in Mexico.
    You commented on construction jobs which is what I was answering then you switched to field work.

    You cannot compare the two.

    Construction jobs do not pay minimum wage.

    The things you need to live are not any cheaper in Mexico, where I live right now, than in the US.

    Gasoline is 8.36 pesos per liter which works out to $2.54 per gallon for regular.

    Food in a super market costs the same or more than the US, shipping costs make the difference.

    Housing costs are alot less, and even though car insurance is required virtually nobody has it.

    The family has to pay for everything for the child to go to school including paying the school. The govt pays nothing.

    What you have is, generally speaking, the losers going across the border. You do not have lawyers or engineers crossing the border to work in the US.

    After all is said and done they will make the same money here for their family and they will be with their kids but since they are losers, they don't understand simple mathamaticas.

    IF you are going to talk about contruction jobs that is fine but you cannot compare construction jobs to field work.
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    Re: Immigrant deaths in Arizona desert soaring in July

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    You commented on construction jobs which is what I was answering then you switched to field work.

    You cannot compare the two.

    Construction jobs do not pay minimum wage.

    The things you need to live are not any cheaper in Mexico, where I live right now, than in the US.

    Gasoline is 8.36 pesos per liter which works out to $2.54 per gallon for regular.

    Food in a super market costs the same or more than the US, shipping costs make the difference.

    Housing costs are alot less, and even though car insurance is required virtually nobody has it.

    The family has to pay for everything for the child to go to school including paying the school. The govt pays nothing.

    What you have is, generally speaking, the losers going across the border. You do not have lawyers or engineers crossing the border to work in the US.

    After all is said and done they will make the same money here for their family and they will be with their kids but since they are losers, they don't understand simple mathamaticas.

    IF you are going to a¿talk about contruction jobs that i fine but you cannot compare construction jobs to field work.
    Except that with the construction jobs, the working conditions are the same, and the people doing the hiring can hire illegals far less than they can for American workers. They also don't have to pay any of the benefits like social security, medicare, etc... to the government when it's a cash only transaction. There's no paper trail to follow.

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    Re: Immigrant deaths in Arizona desert soaring in July

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    Have you ever seen the show called Bait Car?

    A car is left on the street with the keys in it and if somebody steals it they get arrested.

    What you just said is that the police are responsible for the theft for leaving the keys in the car and the criminal that stole the car has no responsibility in the transaction.

    How does that make any sense?

    You think business is allowing the illegals to come to the US?

    How do you figure that?
    I'll ignore your straw man, and respond directly to what I bolded. Without jobs, illegals make no living and have no choice but to go back. It is demand from employers that drives the market in the illegal alien supply. Kill the demand, and the supply will simply dry up. You kill the demand by jailing those employers who hire illegal aliens, which by the way, is a criminal act, and the law that makes it a criminal act needs to be strictly enforced.
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    Re: Immigrant deaths in Arizona desert soaring in July

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    If they don't want to die in the desert, they should stay home.

    Their body, their choice, they're lucky I'm not allowed to plant land mines in the desert for them.
    Oh yeah - that's mature and responsible, caring for others.


    They are people, you know . . . I support measures to slow, stop or hinder illegal immigration - but 'death by sun' isn't on the list.

    It's ok to *care* about people - caring doesn't make you less of a person. In fact, just the opposite.
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    Re: Immigrant deaths in Arizona desert soaring in July

    Apparently, some here don't give a **** that the real perpetrator or instigator is, the Mexican gov

    The Mexican government gives away gps devices to illegals to help them cross the border. Their military supports smuggling and crosses our border, shoots at LEOs on our soil, but we need to be nicer to their citizens who want to cross, the desert... enter illegally and live off our system. lol

    Ironically, the kindness of our now pussified society enables these horrific scenes to multiply

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