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    Re: Immigrant deaths in Arizona desert soaring in July

    Cut off the jobs and they wont come.. it is pretty simple, but it seems the right wing of the US political sphere cant see that. No they focus all their rage against the illegals, usually by stereotyping while giving the private sector a free pass. It is ironic.. the right should see the problem with their views, since it is exactly the same views that the neo nazi white pride freaks have been promoting for decades.. but oh well.

    Fine to oblivion and/or take away business licenses from companies who higher illegals and put on huge fines.. like 5 years minimum wage for example, for any private citizen who employs an illegal. That would put enough incentive to stop employing illegals and if that happens, the illegals wont come. It is cheaper to be dirt poor unemployed in Mexico than in the US after all (cost of living).
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    Re: Immigrant deaths in Arizona desert soaring in July

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Cut off the jobs and they wont come.. it is pretty simple, but it seems the right wing of the US political sphere cant see that. No they focus all their rage against the illegals, usually by stereotyping while giving the private sector a free pass. It is ironic.. the right should see the problem with their views, since it is exactly the same views that the neo nazi white pride freaks have been promoting for decades.. but oh well.

    Fine to oblivion and/or take away business licenses from companies who higher illegals and put on huge fines.. like 5 years minimum wage for example, for any private citizen who employs an illegal. That would put enough incentive to stop employing illegals and if that happens, the illegals wont come. It is cheaper to be dirt poor unemployed in Mexico than in the US after all (cost of living).
    People say that and don't realize the type of jobs illegals take. They take jobs that Americans refuse to do, like field work and other manual labor that the pay is terrible.

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    Re: Immigrant deaths in Arizona desert soaring in July

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Cut off the jobs and they wont come.. it is pretty simple, but it seems the right wing of the US political sphere cant see that. No they focus all their rage against the illegals, usually by stereotyping while giving the private sector a free pass. It is ironic.. the right should see the problem with their views, since it is exactly the same views that the neo nazi white pride freaks have been promoting for decades.. but oh well.
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    Re: Immigrant deaths in Arizona desert soaring in July

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    People say that and don't realize the type of jobs illegals take. They take jobs that Americans refuse to do, like field work and other manual labor that the pay is terrible.
    OH I know fully well what type of jobs the illegals take, but that is not the point. American's refuse to do the jobs because either they are lazy or the wage is too low. Now the first one cant be changed easily but the second one can be changed. But in principle this is a whole other debate.

    And it does not change the fact that the these jobs can be done by LEGAL workers at minimum wage, but the companies and private persons exploit the fact that they are illegals to pay them less than minimum wage often and so on. Make the price for getting caught employing an illegal so high, that the companies cant afford doing so, then the illegals will stop coming.
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    Re: Immigrant deaths in Arizona desert soaring in July

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Cut off the jobs and they wont come.. it is pretty simple, but it seems the right wing of the US political sphere cant see that. No they focus all their rage against the illegals, usually by stereotyping while giving the private sector a free pass. It is ironic.. the right should see the problem with their views, since it is exactly the same views that the neo nazi white pride freaks have been promoting for decades.. but oh well.

    Fine to oblivion and/or take away business licenses from companies who higher illegals and put on huge fines.. like 5 years minimum wage for example, for any private citizen who employs an illegal. That would put enough incentive to stop employing illegals and if that happens, the illegals wont come. It is cheaper to be dirt poor unemployed in Mexico than in the US after all (cost of living).
    I agree that cracking down on employers is one part of the solution. Now why in the heck is Obama suing Az over the employer sanction bill passed two years ago?
    Supreme Court to Review Arizona Employer Sanctions Law - New America Media

    "The U.S. Supreme Court agreed on Monday to review a controversial Arizona statute aimed at imposing severe sanctions on employers who knowingly hire undocumented immigrant workers. This law has already set precedence for similar local legislation being passed in other states across the country.

    The Monday hearing was the first time that the highest tribunal in the country considered addressing the constitutionality of a state bill — the Legal Arizona Workers Act (LAWA) — that deals with immigration issues.

    LAWA was signed by former Gov. Janet Napolitano, now secretary of the Department of Homeland Security, and took effect on Jan.1, 2008. It was challenged by a coalition of business groups, but it didn't get as much national attention as the passage in April of SB 1070, which will allow law enforcement to arrest and detain undocumented immigrants in Arizona."

    It seems evertime a State like Arizona tries do improve the situation to reduce "illegals", this administration steps in as says "No". If the Feds would do the job, the State would not have to step in. This has been building over many adminstrations. It seems Obama just does not get it.

    IMO we cannot totally seal our borders. We can take steps to reduce the numbers crossing illegally everyday. More boots on the ground, barriers in certain locations, going after employers, stop rendering assistance to those who cross the desert and get in trouble, etc.

    and yes, I agree we need immigration reform to allow for workers in support to certain business that require it. I will take acception to Amercans won't do the work. I for one have worked on farms in my younger days as a field hand. I also worked for a tree service. If that is what you need to feed yourself, get off you axx and get to work. There is no insult to do manual labor jobs.
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    Re: Immigrant deaths in Arizona desert soaring in July

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Right Wing? *Shakin' Head*
    Mostly right wing yes. It has always been a core right wing policy to curb immigration, especially of so called undesirables. Time and time again during economic crisis, it is always the right wing of the political sphere that brings up the ugly head of curbing immigration and hitting down hard on illegals. It does not matter what country we are talking about, it is the same thing all over the world. And then there are the far right wing nationalist groups who exploit situations like this, to get more members. There are quite a few neo nazi far right "minutemen" type organisations that are "patrolling" the border after all.

    After all you dont see the left wing parties embrace xenophobic policies against illegals and legals as a core part of their program... at least I have yet to see that anywhere in the world. It is always the right.
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    Re: Immigrant deaths in Arizona desert soaring in July

    @ Pete -- Neither side wants this "problem" solved because neither side has solved it. There isn't a regular user on any internet forum who doesn't know how to solve the problem. So why do we have one? Because Congress (Dems/Reps alike) doesn't want to solve it. Simple as that. The bigger question we should be asking ourselves is, "Why is that???"
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    Re: Immigrant deaths in Arizona desert soaring in July

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Considering Obama's version of "reform" is amnesty or some form of it I do not want reform anytime soon. I simply do not trust him to adequately secure the border and crack down on scum who hire illegals.

    As for for individuals dying while trespassing into the US I can honestly say that I do not feel sorry for people dying while in the commission of a crime. Would you care if a trespasser was shot? Would you care that someone trying break into your home was shot?
    There is more to blame here than just Obama.... If it wasn't for all the employers who are breaking the law by exploiting the illegals, there wouldn't be any illegals here in the first place.

    I think illegals should be deported, but guess what else? I think employers who hire them, out of concern for nothing more than their bottom line, need to be doing hard time.
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    Re: Immigrant deaths in Arizona desert soaring in July

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    People say that and don't realize the type of jobs illegals take. They take jobs that Americans refuse to do, like field work and other manual labor that the pay is terrible.
    Pullleeeze. The pay is terrible because they can hire pseudo-slaves. If we're willing to pay more for our green beans, there'll be plenty of Americans to take those jobs.
    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Guess what else? I think employers who hire them, out of concern for nothing more than their bottom line, need to be doing hard time.
    You and everybody else with half a brain. (No offense meant.) Now....why aren't we doing that? Either side of the aisle?
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    Re: Immigrant deaths in Arizona desert soaring in July

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    People say that and don't realize the type of jobs illegals take. They take jobs that Americans refuse to do, like field work and other manual labor that the pay is terrible.
    Really? Here in Texas, they have taken about 2/3 of the construction jobs.
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