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    Re: Immigrant deaths in Arizona desert soaring in July

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    . The fact that these people are escaping horrible condition in a horrible country where they're more likely to die and the risk of crossing the border to them is minimal compared to the risk of living in day to die violence they're coming from.
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    I'm calling your BS. I live in AZ and have put up with the illegal problem for years. I don't care if they die in the desert. It is one less problem when they do. Except for the coroner workload, the added taxpayer expense of those we rescue and yes send back.
    Mexico and its problem is not the US problem. But hey, AZ would be glad to accept your donation to offset the cost we occur helping those caught out in the desert, without federal assistance.

    If the border was secured, less people would die.

    Notice you don't give any solutions, just a rant about the poor mexican.
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    Re: Immigrant deaths in Arizona desert soaring in July

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Ahh the intolerant liberal all angry cause I made an argument that he cannot refute without personally attacking my character. It's been fun watching you get all spun up Hautey, but honestly, I could give a rats ass less what you think.

    The problem you have is, and I know I touched a raw nerve here, is that if people start seeing border enforcement as a LIFE SAVING measure, that might generate support for such.. and you cannot have that. Way to show how everything you do, think or care about is about politics. I'm looking at ways of saving lives, you worry about the political angle.
    Are you really that dense or are you pretending because i'm not sure anymore? You just supported the point I made. Here I'll put the precise sentence where I exposed your dishonesty:

    No, this is just a thread you made to push an agenda.
    Again, you're not really interested in whether these people die or not. Even though more people die by staying in Mexico than by coming to America due to drug violence. See how dihonest you are yet?
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    Re: Immigrant deaths in Arizona desert soaring in July

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    I'm calling your BS. I live in AZ and have put up with the illegal problem for years. I don't care if they die in the desert. It is one less problem when they do. Except for the coroner workload, the added taxpayer expense of those we rescue and yes send back.

    Mexico and its problem is not the US problem. But hey, AZ would be glad to accept your donation to offset the cost we occur helping those caught out in the desert, without federal assistance.

    If the border was secured, less people would die.

    Notice you don't give any solutions, just a rant about the poor mexican.
    See my point? Conservatives/people pushing for the Arizona law don't really care about Mexicans dying crossing the border. Using the fact that a few die to push their agenda is simply dishonest. Now watch Vicky thank his post.
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    Re: Immigrant deaths in Arizona desert soaring in July

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    See my point? Conservatives/people pushing for the Arizona law don't really care about Mexicans dying crossing the border. Using the fact that a few die to push their agenda is simply dishonest. Now watch Vicky thank his post.
    You are the one who is dishonest. You give no solution. Bad mouth those that want secured borders. So what agenda are you pushing? I would guess open borders, bail out mexico. Your bs doesn't work with me. How come you think I am a conservative? Just becuase I don't support illegals in the US. Still no solution from you as I would expect. You don't have any.

    Come back when you have something worth responding back on. Maybe one of your lib friends with thank you.
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    Re: Immigrant deaths in Arizona desert soaring in July

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    600K and we have what 11 million illegals here. So that is 6 cents each. Wow that will put employers on their heels!!
    The audits have been very sucessful.

    Over the past year, Immigration and Customs Enforcement has conducted audits of employee files at more than 2,900 companies. The agency has levied a record $3 million in civil fines so far this year on businesses that hired unauthorized immigrants, according to official figures. Thousands of those workers have been fired, immigrant groups estimate.

    Employers say the audits reach more companies than the work-site roundups of the administration of President George W. Bush. The audits force businesses to fire every suspected illegal immigrant on the payroll— not just those who happened to be on duty at the time of a raid — and make it much harder to hire other unauthorized workers as replacements. Auditing is “a far more effective enforcement tool,” said Mike Gempler, executive director of the Washington Growers League, which includes many worried fruit growers.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/10/us...0audits&st=cse

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    Re: Immigrant deaths in Arizona desert soaring in July

    Quote Originally Posted by The Dane View Post
    The audits have been very sucessful.



    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/10/us...0audits&st=cse
    Right. Target the companies but let the illegals go to find more work not having a clue who they are or what other crimes they have committed. Brilliant idea. I can see why you've endorsed it.
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    Re: Immigrant deaths in Arizona desert soaring in July

    Clearly the problem is the desert. It is murdering precious human beings. We need to immediately divert the oceans to flood the desert and stop this evil force of nature from taking lives! Who's with me!?

    I suppose... we could also genetically engineer humans to be resistant to dehydration at some point... but for now the oceans... yes... the waters.

    Seriously though, if people are willing to risk death to cross a desert on the mere hope that a better life resides on the other side, they must be fleeing some pretty bad conditions.

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    Re: Immigrant deaths in Arizona desert soaring in July

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    See my point? Conservatives/people pushing for the Arizona law don't really care about Mexicans dying crossing the border. Using the fact that a few die to push their agenda is simply dishonest. Now watch Vicky thank his post.
    Look at the phoney compassion here by this guy. If you want to help why dont you give your job to an illegal mexican so he can afford to bring his wife, 8 kids, 4 brothers (with families) & grandma & grandpa across by vehicle so they dont have to walk? Of course they'll need a place to stay so why not at your place? After all it was your ancestors that stole this land from them in the first place right? Of course you wont because you are a fraud.
    An argument could just as easily be made that you dont give a damn about American citizens whom are the victims of the crime wave these illegals bring with them, not to mention the loss of job opportunities to citizens. You dont really care about the victims of all this crime do you? Shame on you!!!

    I'l make one point here though you cant refute, if you were really that worried about these people then you would be for stopping illegal immigration by sealing the border completly along with making the fines to business's so stiff that they woundnt dare hire them. Would anyone be dying on the border then? Of course not because there would be no incentive to come here. Now even if the Liberal Socialists in this country had there way & legalized every last illegal (without border enforcement) they would still be coming across that border probably even more than they currently are, which would result in even more deaths. So IMO it is your political policies that are killing these people by letting them think its worth walking across the desert to get here.
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    Re: Immigrant deaths in Arizona desert soaring in July

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    My Way News - Immigrant deaths in Arizona desert soaring in July

    More reason to make immigration reform happen. More reason to make it harder to be here illegally, to work here... to save their lives.
    It's rare to find myself saying it, but I happen to agree with you on this. It's a damn shame so many people die trying to cross the border illegally. We need to fix things so they aren't tempted to try.
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    Re: Immigrant deaths in Arizona desert soaring in July

    Okay, you "secure the border" fans. Just how do you intend to do that? It's such a catch phrase. Just exactly how would you do it? What're ya' gunna do with that 2,000 miles?

    And PS -- if we were shooting them on sight, they'd still come in. And you know we aren't going to do that.

    I don't think this post shows "another reason to enforce the law and stop it." I think it's a perfect illustration of how difficult it's going to be to secure it. These people are desperate. Nothing will stop them. Oh, and if they're dying from heat exhaustion? Don't be surprised that we don't start setting up lemonade stands for 'em. We have a history of making things safer for illegals at dangerous crossings...i.e., that canal in California.
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