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    Re: Changing Stance, Administration Now Defends Insurance Mandate as a Tax

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Do I have to take you by the hand and lead you to the water trough ?????

    The family's insurance premium will be: $10,108.
    Their share of the premium will be: $1,028.
    The government subsidy will be: $9,081.
    Their maximum out-of-pocket expense will be (not including the premium): $4,167.

    Total yearly out-of-pocket costs (max): $5,195.

    The $9,081. government subsidy is a tax credit. That means they only get the money back (a percentage of it) when they file income tax the next year. That means they have to pay the monthly premiums out of their budget, which will be next to impossible for a family with that much annual income.

    And no, they won't be better off, they'll be MUCH worse off. This plan is not any help, it's like a lead weight thrown to a drowning man.
    Socialism making people poorer by the day equally.

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    Re: Changing Stance, Administration Now Defends Insurance Mandate as a Tax

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Forget about the tax label for a second. Im wondering how many people right here in our merry little band of bloggers are low income wage earners that choose not to get insurance because they see themselves as young, healthy, and not really in need of health care yet. You do realize that that choice will be stripped from you...right? You will now be FORCED to buy insurance for health care that you may or may not use for 1-3-5-maybe 10 years. or more. And while its not a position I recommend I know several people in that group...conservatives and liberals alike...
    Hmmmmmmm........ I'm 56. I'm not low income. I have never had health insurance. I've been to the doctor 1 time in my life (age 18+) that wasn't covered by workmans comp. and paid cash.

    Do I count?
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    Re: Changing Stance, Administration Now Defends Insurance Mandate as a Tax

    Truth be told, this health care debacle will probably benefit me when it goes into effect..... but it's still wrong and I will always oppose it, and all things like it.
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    Re: Changing Stance, Administration Now Defends Insurance Mandate as a Tax

    Quote Originally Posted by Crunch View Post
    Truth be told, this health care debacle will probably benefit me when it goes into effect..... but it's still wrong and I will always oppose it, and all things like it.
    I can't see it benefitting anyone. I think Obama screwed the pooch with everone on this deal.
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    Re: Changing Stance, Administration Now Defends Insurance Mandate as a Tax

    Quote Originally Posted by Crunch View Post
    Hmmmmmmm........ I'm 56. I'm not low income. I have never had health insurance. I've been to the doctor 1 time in my life (age 18+) that wasn't covered by workmans comp. and paid cash.

    Do I count?
    Sure...maybe you count as an outstanding model for healthcare insurance reform. Assuming you carried insurance for 30 years at say a baseline of 4000 a year...if there was an interest bearing account dedicated to your case you would have what...about 560,000 paid for in health insurance (assuming normal rates of interest...total investment doubling approx every 9 years based on standard secure market rates). Thats probably about 150k low I'm thinking...but...anyway...

    so maybe you should be OK for a few years and not have to pay...if they reform health insurance. Maybe with existing private plans we wouldnt need to create a 1-2 trillion dollar debacle like this thing is shaping up to be. Might at least have been worth looking at before they passed a 2000 page law that none of them had read.

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    Re: Changing Stance, Administration Now Defends Insurance Mandate as a Tax

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    I can't see it benefitting anyone. I think Obama screwed the pooch with everone on this deal.
    Just like everyone gives Bush too much credit...I think you are giving Obama too much...all he did was signed that piece of **** that the house and senate rammed down everyones throat.

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    Re: Changing Stance, Administration Now Defends Insurance Mandate as a Tax

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Just like everyone gives Bush too much credit...I think you are giving Obama too much...all he did was signed that piece of **** that the house and senate rammed down everyones throat.
    You forgot the part at his behest.

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    Re: Changing Stance, Administration Now Defends Insurance Mandate as a Tax

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    You forgot the part at his behest.
    At his behest...pass socialized medicine. Thats pretty much it.

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    Re: Changing Stance, Administration Now Defends Insurance Mandate as a Tax

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Do I have to take you by the hand and lead you to the water trough ?????

    The family's insurance premium will be: $10,108.
    Their share of the premium will be: $1,028.
    The government subsidy will be: $9,081.
    Their maximum out-of-pocket expense will be (not including the premium): $4,167.

    Total yearly out-of-pocket costs (max): $5,195.

    The $9,081. government subsidy is a tax credit. That means they only get the money back (a percentage of it) when they file income tax the next year. That means they have to pay the monthly premiums out of their budget, which will be next to impossible for a family with that much annual income.

    And no, they won't be better off, they'll be MUCH worse off. This plan is not any help, it's like a lead weight thrown to a drowning man.
    Ahh, so what you're doing is assuming that the family will reach their deductible limit every year. Ok then.

    How can a family in this situation be worse off because of the health care bill? They can elect to still not have health insurance and live exactly like they already live. The plan you're describing is still much more forgiving than any plan they'd have now, previously they'd be paying that extra $9081 themselves.

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    At his behest...pass socialized medicine. Thats pretty much it.
    This bill is most definitely not socialized medicine.
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    Re: Changing Stance, Administration Now Defends Insurance Mandate as a Tax

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    This bill is most definitely not socialized medicine.
    I know its picking at nits...but its law, not just a bill anymore...and as to the socialized part...no...not yet. It will be.

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