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    Re: Changing Stance, Administration Now Defends Insurance Mandate as a Tax

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    Remember that Obama's plan was essentially the Republican plan from the 90s. In effect the only people who pay the tax are the people who don't have health insurance.
    Yeah, the people least able to afford it.

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    Re: Changing Stance, Administration Now Defends Insurance Mandate as a Tax

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Yeah, the people least able to afford it.
    No, the people you describe would qualify for tax credits for the health insurance.
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    Re: Changing Stance, Administration Now Defends Insurance Mandate as a Tax

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    No, the people you describe would qualify for tax credits for the health insurance.
    Two questions:

    1. How can a family of four making $32,000 a year afford over $5,000. in out of pocket expenses for health insurance. That's what they have to pay AFTER the tax credit.

    2. How can this family afford to pay $10,108. a year for health insurance premiums, then wait to get a tax credit up to a year later? Do you think they have an extra $840/month laying around ??? Are they supposed to wait til they file income taxes and get their refund the next year before buying groceries for their kids ?? And even then, they probably won't get all the money back.

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    Re: Changing Stance, Administration Now Defends Insurance Mandate as a Tax

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Two questions:

    1. How can a family of four making $32,000 a year afford over $5,000. in out of pocket expenses for health insurance. That's what they have to pay AFTER the tax credit.

    2. How can this family afford to pay $10,108. a year for health insurance premiums, then wait to get a tax credit up to a year later? Do you think they have an extra $840/month laying around ??? Are they supposed to wait til they file income taxes and get their refund the next year before buying groceries for their kids ?? And even then, they probably won't get all the money back.
    exactly where did you get these numbers?

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    Re: Changing Stance, Administration Now Defends Insurance Mandate as a Tax

    Quote Originally Posted by The Dane View Post
    Its a stupid idea for the tea parties to try and make the notion that Obama is violating the constitution. He's a constitutional scholar and former constitutional professor along with a brilliant lawyer who deeply respects the document and will wipe the floor with anyone trying to use it as leverage over his administration.


    As one he sucks, he understand little of the origional intent of the founding fathers and uses his "learnin" skills on how to manipulate the USC into something its not.
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    Re: Changing Stance, Administration Now Defends Insurance Mandate as a Tax

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    exactly where did you get these numbers?
    Health Reform Subsidy Calculator

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    Re: Changing Stance, Administration Now Defends Insurance Mandate as a Tax

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Two questions:

    1. How can a family of four making $32,000 a year afford over $5,000. in out of pocket expenses for health insurance. That's what they have to pay AFTER the tax credit.

    2. How can this family afford to pay $10,108. a year for health insurance premiums, then wait to get a tax credit up to a year later? Do you think they have an extra $840/month laying around ??? Are they supposed to wait til they file income taxes and get their refund the next year before buying groceries for their kids ?? And even then, they probably won't get all the money back.
    This family you mentioned would be exempt from the tax penalty. If the premiums are more than 8% of your income, you are below the poverty line, you are incarcerated, or you are part of a group with a recognized religious exemption, you do not get the penalty.

    edit: Or if you're an illegal immigrant.
    edit2: Or a member of an indian tribe.
    Last edited by Deuce; 07-19-10 at 07:15 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Changing Stance, Administration Now Defends Insurance Mandate as a Tax

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    This family you mentioned would be exempt from the tax penalty. If the premiums are more than 8% of your income, you are below the poverty line, you are incarcerated, or you are part of a group with a recognized religious exemption, you do not get the penalty.

    edit: Or if you're an illegal immigrant.
    edit2: Or a member of an indian tribe.
    My post didn't mention a tax penalty ???

    So you admit that it will be practically impossible for low income families to actually have health insurance ??? That will be the outcome of this pig of a bill. An awful lot of people are going to be really mad when the lamestream media finally gets around to explaining the nuts and bolts of this monstrosity.

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    Re: Changing Stance, Administration Now Defends Insurance Mandate as a Tax

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    My post didn't mention a tax penalty ???

    So you admit that it will be practically impossible for low income families to actually have health insurance ??? That will be the outcome of this pig of a bill. An awful lot of people are going to be really mad when the lamestream media finally gets around to explaining the nuts and bolts of this monstrosity.
    It will be slightly more possible for them to have health insurance than it is now. This bill could have been better, much better, but the GOP wouldn't cooperate at all. It would have been much easier to get a good bill if they only needed 51 votes instead of 60, and if the GOP had thrown some votes in they would even have gotten a better say in the bill's outcome. This is what happens when the government is fighting itself.

    Many will get subsidies and new people will qualify for medicaid.
    However, we would have been better off with single-payer, in my opinion.
    Last edited by Deuce; 07-20-10 at 02:39 PM.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Changing Stance, Administration Now Defends Insurance Mandate as a Tax

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    It will be slightly more possible for them to have health insurance than it is now. This bill could have been better, much better, but the GOP wouldn't cooperate at all. It would have been much easier to get a good bill if they only needed 51 votes instead of 60, and if the GOP had thrown some votes in they would even have gotten a better say in the bill's outcome. This is what happens when the government is fighting itself.

    Many will get subsidies and new people will qualify for medicaid.
    However, we would have been better off with single-payer, in my opinion.
    No, it will be completely impossible for the vast majority of low income families to even consider purchasing health insurance. Almost no families will be able to afford an extra $840. a month.

    Millions will be forced to pay Obama's tax penalty which would buy several months of groceries or pay a months rent. And.... the medical system will still be paying for millions of patients with no health insurance.

    The GOP wouldn't cooperate because the Dems would not listen to any of their proposals. It was the Dem's way or nothing. The GOP wisely decided they didn't want their fingerprints on this pig.

    What will have been gained ????
    Last edited by Gill; 07-20-10 at 03:04 PM.

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