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    Re: Changing Stance, Administration Now Defends Insurance Mandate as a Tax

    I don't really care when either Republicans or Democrats can't hold true to every single statement they make, they are politicians.

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    Re: Changing Stance, Administration Now Defends Insurance Mandate as a Tax

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    Well, to save myself the intense searching, perhaps it was more in the sense that since tea partiers essentially oppose most anything Obama does, what with him being a democratic fascist and all, and so they would generally be opposed to this health care reform (which I see it as a 'reform' in the sense that you can 'reform' your hand by shooting a bullet through it.)

    So, by proxy, opposition to healthcare is racism (according to those talking heads)
    Never try to extrapolate somebody else's opinion to mean what you want it to mean. Instead, go by what they actually say.

    Also, you should go read up on fascism so you can figure out what that particular political philosophy actually means. People call Obama a socialist and a fascist in the same sentence, but it is literally impossible to be both of those things.
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    Re: Changing Stance, Administration Now Defends Insurance Mandate as a Tax

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Never try to extrapolate somebody else's opinion to mean what you want it to mean. Instead, go by what they actually say.

    Also, you should go read up on fascism so you can figure out what that particular political philosophy actually means. People call Obama a socialist and a fascist in the same sentence, but it is literally impossible to be both of those things.
    Well, tehnically socialism and fascism can exist in the same government. A historical example would be Italy in the 30's and 40's. You had corporations and everything controlled by the state to serve the state, but you had wealth redistribution. Socialism requires wealth redistribution as a step in the removal of all private property. Under both systems the state is in control. Fascisms goal is to make the state all powerful at the expense of everything. Socialisms goal is to implement wealth redistribution and the destruction of private property in order for everyone to be equal then to dissolve once equality is acheived.

    Not directed at you, Deuce:

    As far as the talking heads are concerned, I would have to say that anyone that listens to them to form an opinion isn't exactly the brightest bulbs in the bunch. The talking heads are good entertainment for the laughs they provide in how they treat guests in 'interviews'.

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    Re: Changing Stance, Administration Now Defends Insurance Mandate as a Tax

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Never try to extrapolate somebody else's opinion to mean what you want it to mean. Instead, go by what they actually say.
    Why would I WANT to have people call me racist of the most nonsensical reasons...

    When someone says : "I think the reason people oppose Obama are because they are racist", and I take it to mean that people are calling opposition 'racism'... I'm not sure that I took that the wrong way...

    I really didn't extrapolate anything, in that the message was sent out that tea parties, who opposed obamacare, are called racist because of their opposition... it's simply inferred.

    Also, you should go read up on fascism so you can figure out what that particular political philosophy actually means. People call Obama a socialist and a fascist in the same sentence, but it is literally impossible to be both of those things.
    Ya... I didn't call Obama a socialist... but he's acted like a dictator (by violating the constitution, at least the intent of the constitution), he's taken control over the auto industry, and now healthcare (mixing the corporate and government worlds), and takes advantage of racism to get his position across (by using reverse racism and attacking his opposition as racist)... that's the DEFINITION of fascism.

    And, as a matter of fact, Obama's even gone so far as to commit open acts of treason. Yes, that's right... Obama is an OPEN TRAITOR to the country... how and why you might ask?? Well, by suing Arizona and giving aide and comfort to an outside nation at the expense of his own (Ie : Suing arizona on behalf of the illegal immigrants that have invaded). Yes that is BY DEFINITION treason. Not quite high treason (which would be a capital offense), but it does satisfy the definition of treason as it appears in the constitution. All that's needed is two witnesses and the open pressing of the charges.

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    Re: Changing Stance, Administration Now Defends Insurance Mandate as a Tax

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    Well, tehnically socialism and fascism can exist in the same government. A historical example would be Italy in the 30's and 40's. You had corporations and everything controlled by the state to serve the state, but you had wealth redistribution. Socialism requires wealth redistribution as a step in the removal of all private property. Under both systems the state is in control. Fascisms goal is to make the state all powerful at the expense of everything. Socialisms goal is to implement wealth redistribution and the destruction of private property in order for everyone to be equal then to dissolve once equality is acheived.
    Yes, it's the redistribution of wealth like a vacuum redistributes the dust. Otherwise I agree.

    As far as the talking heads are concerned, I would have to say that anyone that listens to them to form an opinion isn't exactly the brightest bulbs in the bunch. The talking heads are good entertainment for the laughs they provide in how they treat guests in 'interviews'.
    Yes, well, that's still a fairly large portion of the country. Hell, there are even people that look to Jon Stewart and Colbert as legitimate sources of news...

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    Re: Changing Stance, Administration Now Defends Insurance Mandate as a Tax

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    Why is it that even though what I said had zero to do with race, I got a reply about race?

    Did the English language suddenly just change?
    I suppose it did... however, I was simply trying to illustrate a point, not hijack the thread with my sarcasm.

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    Re: Changing Stance, Administration Now Defends Insurance Mandate as a Tax

    Tax and spend mother****ers! What did Obama say: "no new taxes for those earning less than $250,000 per year"? Lying mother****er. **** Obama!
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    Re: Changing Stance, Administration Now Defends Insurance Mandate as a Tax

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    You mean uninsured people will have to start paying for some of the health care they receive in the emergency room? Dang. That's terrible.

    I'm also not sure I'd describe $695/year for the uninsured as "big" or "fat" or "everyone."

    But yes, there's a $695 tax penalty for not carrying insurance. Is this a surprise to you? Did you not pay any attention at all during the last 18 months?
    No, because even if it's a govt program, they're still poor. You can be sure the poor will still not pay for their own healthcare.
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    Re: Changing Stance, Administration Now Defends Insurance Mandate as a Tax

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    No, because even if it's a govt program, they're still poor. You can be sure the poor will still not pay for their own healthcare.
    Not to mention that when taxes increase it slows down an already depressed economy.

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    Re: Changing Stance, Administration Now Defends Insurance Mandate as a Tax

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    Not to mention that when taxes increase it slows down an already depressed economy.
    Are you comfortable with another $2.2 trillion worth of debt?
    That is the estimate price of extending all of the Bush admin's income tax cuts.
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