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    Re: Changing Stance, Administration Now Defends Insurance Mandate as a Tax

    Quote Originally Posted by The Dane View Post
    You don't understand at all. They already showed that such a concept was constituional with social security, in which they took a small portion of your pay check away each time until you retired. They've already shown that it will hold up in court. The article is showing that Obama found has already found a legal solution on the anticipation that the mandate would be challenged as unconstitutional.
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    Re: Changing Stance, Administration Now Defends Insurance Mandate as a Tax

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    No, the MANDATED cost, is a TAX. Learn to read articles.
    I said it was a tax. Did you miss that?

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    You mean uninsured people will have to start paying for some of the health care they receive in the emergency room? Dang. That's terrible.

    I'm also not sure I'd describe $695/year for the uninsured as "big" or "fat" or "everyone."

    But yes, there's a $695 tax penalty for not carrying insurance. Is this a surprise to you? Did you not pay any attention at all during the last 18 months?
    Learn to understand what the bill entails.
    If you do not have insurance, you will have an additional $695 tax assessed on your tax return. (or a pro-rated amount if you had insurance for part of the year)
    If you do have insurance, you will not have this additional tax.

    Why this tax? Two reasons:
    1) The pre-existing conditions deal. To force insurance companies to take unhealthy customers requires that you also give them additional healthy customers. The "mandate" pushes people to purchase insurance who might not otherwise have done so
    2) The uninsured going to emergency rooms without the ability to pay for their treatment are already a burden on the rest of us, both via tax dollars and higher insurance premiums. The tax penalty ensures that those people are at least chipping something into the pot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Changing Stance, Administration Now Defends Insurance Mandate as a Tax

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    I said it was a tax. Did you miss that?



    Learn to understand what the bill entails.
    If you do not have insurance, you will have an additional $695 tax assessed on your tax return. (or a pro-rated amount if you had insurance for part of the year)
    If you do have insurance, you will not have this additional tax.

    Why this tax? Two reasons:
    1) The pre-existing conditions deal. To force insurance companies to take unhealthy customers requires that you also give them additional healthy customers. The "mandate" pushes people to purchase insurance who might not otherwise have done so
    2) The uninsured going to emergency rooms without the ability to pay for their treatment are already a burden on the rest of us, both via tax dollars and higher insurance premiums. The tax penalty ensures that those people are at least chipping something into the pot.

    YAWN.

    We aren't talking about the TAX for not carrying insurance.

    We are TALKING ABOUT THE MANDATE YOU MUST CARRY INSURANCE. THAT is a TAX.
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    Re: Changing Stance, Administration Now Defends Insurance Mandate as a Tax

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    YAWN.

    We aren't talking about the TAX for not carrying insurance.

    We are TALKING ABOUT THE MANDATE YOU MUST CARRY INSURANCE. THAT is a TAX.
    The "mandate" is the $695 penalty.
    You are not actually dragged to an insurance salesman and forced to buy. You can simply elect not to purchase insurance. You have that option. It will cost you $695, assessed on your tax return.

    You really should actually read up on what the bill entails.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Changing Stance, Administration Now Defends Insurance Mandate as a Tax

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    The "mandate" is the $695 penalty.
    You are not actually dragged to an insurance salesman and forced to buy. You can simply elect not to purchase insurance. You have that option. It will cost you $695, assessed on your tax return.

    You really should actually read up on what the bill entails.
    Thanks to the bill many companies are looking into dropping health insurance for employees since it's cheaper to pay the tax and saves them money overall while shifting the costs to underpaid workers.

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    Re: Changing Stance, Administration Now Defends Insurance Mandate as a Tax

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    Thanks to the bill many companies are looking into dropping health insurance for employees since it's cheaper to pay the tax and saves them money overall while shifting the costs to underpaid workers.
    This does not refute anything I said.
    Are you and MrV under the impression that people are actually forced to purchase health insurance? Like what, at gunpoint or something?
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Changing Stance, Administration Now Defends Insurance Mandate as a Tax

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    This does not refute anything I said.
    Are you and MrV under the impression that people are actually forced to purchase health insurance? Like what, at gunpoint or something?
    Yes, you are forced to buy insurance or you pay a tax. Failure to pay the assessed taxes means you could be liable for prison time for failing to pay taxes. With this in mind, it truly is coercion since you have a choice of buying insurance or paying a tax with the no payment possibly being jail time.

    Quick question, do you know when and why companies started giving benefits packages?
    Last edited by The_Patriot; 07-18-10 at 01:21 AM.

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    Re: Changing Stance, Administration Now Defends Insurance Mandate as a Tax

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    This does not refute anything I said.
    Are you and MrV under the impression that people are actually forced to purchase health insurance? Like what, at gunpoint or something?
    You either pay a tax to the Gov't, or you pay for a service you may or may not want. The point being you are being FORCED to pay for not doing as you are TOLD by Washington. I know people like you love to be told how to live, but we adults are kinda tired of folks like you ruining our country.
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    Re: Changing Stance, Administration Now Defends Insurance Mandate as a Tax

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    You either pay a tax to the Gov't, or you pay for a service you may or may not want. The point being you are being FORCED to pay for not doing as you are TOLD by Washington. I know people like you love to be told how to live, but we adults are kinda tired of folks like you ruining our country.
    So you're conceding the point I made. The $695 I talked about is the mandate.
    I explained the reasons why the mandate exists. You disagree on principle, that's fine, but personally I am tired of footing the bill for people who can afford insurance but choose not to purchase it. It raises my premiums and costs the taxpayers money.

    Your last sentence is just useless personal attacks and adds nothing to the discussion.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Changing Stance, Administration Now Defends Insurance Mandate as a Tax

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    So you're conceding the point I made. The $695 I talked about is the mandate.
    I explained the reasons why the mandate exists. You disagree on principle, that's fine, but personally I am tired of footing the bill for people who can afford insurance but choose not to purchase it. It raises my premiums and costs the taxpayers money.

    Your last sentence is just useless personal attacks and adds nothing to the discussion.
    No, the mandate is you have to purchase insurance or you pay a tax. That is the mandate.

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