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    Re: Top House Republican wants ban on new federal regulations

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    libs tend to operate on the concept that if society isn't perfect we have to keep making more and more and more laws.

    its the same mentality of taxing our way to prosperity. The same mentality that caused Washington's doctors to bleed him to death.

    libs think if 100000 laws don't cure society's problems another 100000 laws on top of them will rather than realizing most of our problems come from TOO MUCH Government and the normal reactions to it
    Conservatives, on the other hand, think that the Holy Free Market will cure all ails and would never, ever do harm to people. Hyperbole is fun!
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Top House Republican wants ban on new federal regulations

    Like any law that passes congress, regulation can vary from crucial to impossibly stupid. Mandating that our food not contain large quantities of arsenic is a pretty good idea. Dropping 10 thousand dollar fines for an unscripted swear word on TV probably isn't. A blanket ban is far too overbroad. Of course Boehner already mentioned "exemptions", so its really not a blanket ban anyway, just grandstanding,

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    Re: Top House Republican wants ban on new federal regulations

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Not the worst idea I've heard by far.

    A good many people don't realize how much power Congress has invested in the bureaucracies. Huge, inefficient and insulated from the will (and wrath) of the people, these bureaucracies have been given the power to pass regulations independently that have the force of law, using delegated Congressional power. In essense, laws (with punishments!) are being passed that are NOT being reviewed by elected officials.

    I have problems with this.

    Rather than a temporary moratorium, I'd prefer a law that has Congress review all new regulations individually and vote up/down on them. The bureaucracies need to be kept carefully in check, they are becoming unelected legislative bodies.
    The Supremes could end this sort of thing.
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    Re: Top House Republican wants ban on new federal regulations

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    Like any law that passes congress, regulation can vary from crucial to impossibly stupid. Mandating that our food not contain large quantities of arsenic is a pretty good idea. Dropping 10 thousand dollar fines for an unscripted swear word on TV probably isn't. A blanket ban is far too overbroad. Of course Boehner already mentioned "exemptions", so its really not a blanket ban anyway, just grandstanding,
    His only exemptions, as I read it, were for "emergencies," something vague and unspecified.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Top House Republican wants ban on new federal regulations

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    It's an absurd proposal given how lax regulation has had a hand in the financial crisis and the Gulf of Mexico oil spill.
    The rules already exist, lax enforcement has been the problem.

    "The Federal Register is the main source for the U.S. federal government agencies':

    * Proposed new rules and regulations;
    * Final rules;
    * Changes to existing rules; and
    * Notices of meetings and adjudicatory proceedings.

    In essence, the Federal Register is a way for the government to think aloud to the people, and also serves as official journal of record for the approved acts of the U.S. Government. The notice and comment process outlined in the Federal Register gives the people a chance to participate in agency rulemaking."

    "The Federal Register is not small; for example, the 2008 Federal Register was 80,700 pages long. Although the Federal Register is quite important from a legal and historical perspective as a record of the regular business of American government agencies, few people read it regularly (even lawyers, except for those specializing in keeping track of developments in it), due to its massive volume and the dry style of its content. The size of the Federal Register is often cited as evidence of the growth of the burden of governmental regulation."

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    Over 80,000 pages of rules and regulations.
    Seriously, we need to take a break from regulating everything.
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    Re: Top House Republican wants ban on new federal regulations

    So you're saying that the solution to lax enforcement of regulation is to not have the regulation?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Top House Republican wants ban on new federal regulations

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    So you're saying that the solution to lax enforcement of regulation is to not have the regulation?
    Nope to review the regulation to see if it has an actual purpose or if it's redundant.
    I guess I'm being an idealist, expecting congress and the president to do some self reflection on what really works and what doesn't.

    Lets be real here, do you really believe that a change in office is really going to change the way the laws and regulations are enforced?
    Most likely not going to happen in most instances.
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    Re: Top House Republican wants ban on new federal regulations

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Nope to review the regulation to see if it has an actual purpose or if it's redundant.
    I guess I'm being an idealist, expecting congress and the president to do some self reflection on what really works and what doesn't.

    Lets be real here, do you really believe that a change in office is really going to change the way the laws and regulations are enforced?
    Most likely not going to happen in most instances.
    What I think a lot of libertarians forget is that most of these regulations, or at least the agencies that created them, came about because there was a need for it. Regulators didn't just decide one day "Hey! We should limit the amount of arsenic in drinking water and make up some ways to test that!"
    Yeah, there's probably some redundancy in regulations, but I doubt there are really that many regulations where you'd read them and say "Oh hey, this regulation is actually harmful to people."
    EPA, FDA, FAA, most of these came about as a result of powerful public outcry because private industry was quite literally killing people in the pursuit of greater profit.
    My personal favorite:
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    Radioactive water. It was around for a while, but then some famous guy's jaw fell off and the FDA was given greater power to regulate such things.

    edit: Not to be bashing on libertarianism. The philosophy is fine, I just think its implementation isn't always thought very well through.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Top House Republican wants ban on new federal regulations

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    What I think a lot of libertarians forget is that most of these regulations, or at least the agencies that created them, came about because there was a need for it. Regulators didn't just decide one day "Hey! We should limit the amount of arsenic in drinking water and make up some ways to test that!"
    Yeah, there's probably some redundancy in regulations, but I doubt there are really that many regulations where you'd read them and say "Oh hey, this regulation is actually harmful to people."
    EPA, FDA, FAA, most of these came about as a result of powerful public outcry because private industry was quite literally killing people in the pursuit of greater profit.
    My personal favorite:
    Radithor - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Radioactive water. It was around for a while, but then some famous guy's jaw fell off and the FDA was given greater power to regulate such things.
    There are plenty of stupid regulations and things like poisoning water & meat are already illegal before you "regulate" them.
    It comes down to lax enforcement most of the time.

    Public outcry is a stupid measurement of need because the public is generally very unaware of the reality and scope of these problems.

    The financial bill that just passed is a big exercise in stupid.
    They put some halfway decent stuff in it, which isn't the majority of the bill.
    The rest was stuff that didn't cause the financial collapse or they left the regulation to committees whose recommendations could be ignored.
    Then the next time we have another market collapse, it'll all be blamed again on the "free market."
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    Re: Top House Republican wants ban on new federal regulations

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    There are plenty of stupid regulations and things like poisoning water & meat are already illegal before you "regulate" them.
    It comes down to lax enforcement most of the time.

    Public outcry is a stupid measurement of need because the public is generally very unaware of the reality and scope of these problems.

    The financial bill that just passed is a big exercise in stupid.
    They put some halfway decent stuff in it, which isn't the majority of the bill.
    The rest was stuff that didn't cause the financial collapse or they left the regulation to committees whose recommendations could be ignored.
    Then the next time we have another market collapse, it'll all be blamed again on the "free market."
    Ok, but making a car with a gas tank that likes to catch fire in minor collisions isn't illegal until you regulate it. Poisoning meat may already be illegal, but how about neglecting to properly inspect or store your meat? It's cheaper for a company to be lax on such things, invariably there will be someone out there who makes that choice. Regulations aren't perfect and their enforcement most certainly isn't but overall this quality of life we take for granted is largely a result of this evolution of regulation and oversight. I've had people say to me that OSHA is a government overreach and shouldn't exist, but I think coal miners would tend to disagree.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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