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    Comparative photos of Mount Everest 'confirm ice loss'


    Photos taken by a mountaineer on Everest from the same spot where similar pictures were taken in 1921 have revealed an "alarming" ice loss.

    The Asia Society (AS) arranged for the pictures to be taken in exactly the same place where British climber George Mallory took photos in 1921.
    BBC News - Comparative photos of Mount Everest 'confirm ice loss'

    The issue here is, we are in July, and the world over is far warmer due to the natural cycle of the seasons (Northern hemisphere regions anyway).

    The article claims repeatedly the photos where taken in the exact same place George Mallory took the photos in 1921 but fails to mention that George went in June, a naturally cooler month than July, or if this year is on average warmer than 1921 for whatever natural/coincidential anomalie.
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    Re: Comparative photos of Mount Everest 'confirm ice loss'

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post



    BBC News - Comparative photos of Mount Everest &#039;confirm ice loss&#039;

    The issue here is, we are in July, and the world over is far warmer due to the natural cycle of the seasons (Northern hemisphere regions anyway).

    The article claims repeatedly the photos where taken in the exact same place George Mallory took the photos in 1921 but fails to mention that George went in June, a naturally cooler month than July, or if this year is on average warmer than 1921 for whatever natural/coincidential anomalie.
    Aha, whatever it takes to advance Gore's theory (No not that other one of sticking his tongue down someones throat), but his Global warming theme!

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    Re: Comparative photos of Mount Everest 'confirm ice loss'

    Two data points don't really tell us a whole lot. Nothing actually.

    BUT - thanks for posting, Everest is beautiful!

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    Re: Comparative photos of Mount Everest 'confirm ice loss'

    It's just like Mt. Kilimanjaro and others. The ices builds, it recedes, it builds, it recedes. Just as it has for millions of years.

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    Re: Comparative photos of Mount Everest 'confirm ice loss'

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post



    BBC News - Comparative photos of Mount Everest &#039;confirm ice loss&#039;

    The issue here is, we are in July, and the world over is far warmer due to the natural cycle of the seasons (Northern hemisphere regions anyway).

    The article claims repeatedly the photos where taken in the exact same place George Mallory took the photos in 1921 but fails to mention that George went in June, a naturally cooler month than July, or if this year is on average warmer than 1921 for whatever natural/coincidential anomalie.
    Couple points:
    1) This year is far warmer than 1921. In fact, 2010 is on track to set yet another new record. (Jan-June, globally the hottest on record)
    2) This loss of ice we've seen is far, far beyond the scope of monthly or even yearly variation. Just being June vs July or Cold Year vs Warm Year could not possibly cause a loss of ice on this scale. You'd need years and years of consistently warmer weather for this to happen.
    3) These photos are not intended to be scientific proof of global warming, just proof that we're losing ice on this particular mountain.
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    Re: Comparative photos of Mount Everest 'confirm ice loss'

    I regret not being well enough to go to at least the first base camp on Mt. Everest, but seeing it off in the distance was enough.

    When I was in Nepal, a lot of people told me about how the climate of the nation was changing for the worst. The summer I was there, the Northern rains never came and so an entire rice crop died, and it never happened on that scale before. They were in the process of applying for food aid from the UN. In the South, where it is normally dry, they had flooding and a cholera epidemic.

    The world's valley civilizations, like India (the Indus), China (the Yangze), and Egypt (the Nile) are all at risk of losing major water resources once their nations' glaciers completely melt, and they are melting quite rapidly. In the West we are still having our quaint little discussions about whether or not climate change is happening but in those nations the governments are already well aware of future water resource shortages. Actually, the U.S. government is also beginning to encroach more and more into the Great Lakes because of dwindling resources in other areas.

    I really do believe that future wars will be fought over things like water, not oil.

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    Re: Comparative photos of Mount Everest 'confirm ice loss'

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Couple points:
    1) This year is far warmer than 1921. In fact, 2010 is on track to set yet another new record. (Jan-June, globally the hottest on record)
    2) This loss of ice we've seen is far, far beyond the scope of monthly or even yearly variation. Just being June vs July or Cold Year vs Warm Year could not possibly cause a loss of ice on this scale. You'd need years and years of consistently warmer weather for this to happen.
    3) These photos are not intended to be scientific proof of global warming, just proof that we're losing ice on this particular mountain.
    The only difference in snow is there is a bit less on the mountain top and on the floor. I dont see how a warmer month wouldn't cause this loss in ice. Why would it need years of consistent warmth?
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    Re: Comparative photos of Mount Everest 'confirm ice loss'

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    The only difference in snow is there is a bit less on the mountain top and on the floor. I dont see how a warmer month wouldn't cause this loss in ice. Why would it need years of consistent warmth?
    You're underestimating the volume of ice we're talking about, which is understandable given the poor resolution of the older photo. (edit: also the scale of that mountain is not easily seen from the photo) It's a crapload of ice, and it never really gets "warm" at that altitude. The average temperature in July at the summit is -19C
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    Re: Comparative photos of Mount Everest 'confirm ice loss'

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    You're underestimating the volume of ice we're talking about, which is understandable given the poor resolution of the older photo. (edit: also the scale of that mountain is not easily seen from the photo) It's a crapload of ice, and it never really gets "warm" at that altitude. The average temperature in July at the summit is -19C
    Judging from the photo the ice on the floor which has receded doesn't look like much ice to me anyway.
    I know -19 is cold! But, as the temperature drops, so would the magnitude of the ice, right?
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    Re: Comparative photos of Mount Everest 'confirm ice loss'

    Is this a situation where the ice has been receding since the last ice age ended?
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