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    Re: Catholics angry as church puts female ordination on par with sex abuse

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Anti-Semitism? Really? You can document that?
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    Despite its early support for the Zionist movement, in recent decades The Guardian has been accused of exaggerating in bias criticism of Israeli government policy. In December 2003 columnist Julie Burchill cited "striking bias against the state of Israel" as one of the reasons she left the paper for The Times.[42] A leaked report from the European Monitoring Centre on Racism cited The Economist's claim that for "many British Jews," the British media's reporting on Israel "is spiced with a tone of animosity, 'as to smell of anti-Semitism'... This is above all the case with the Guardian and The Independent".[43][44] Greville Janner, former president of the Board of Deputies of British Jews, has accused The Guardian of being "viciously and notoriously anti-Israel".[45]

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    Re: Catholics angry as church puts female ordination on par with sex abuse

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    One treats women as being on par with farm animals Redress. To equate them is completely dishonest.
    What about Sharia law though?
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    Re: Catholics angry as church puts female ordination on par with sex abuse

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    What is this CCD class? It's theological. A sacramental marriage is between two baptized Catholics. It is a marriage that literally takes place through Christ, so it cannot be undone by any act of man. A nonsacramental marriage is any other kind of marriage, between a Catholic and a non-Catholic and technically including a marriage two non-Catholics as well. It is considered to be a valid marriage, but since it is not through Christ it is not permanent in the theological sense, so it can be undone. A sacramental marriage that has not yet been consummated can also be annulled by a bishop by the same principle.
    So the other marriages don't go through Christ. They wouldn't be considered "holy matrimony".
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    Re: Catholics angry as church puts female ordination on par with sex abuse

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    I have never understood the fierce insistence with which people cling to churches whose beliefs they disagree with. If you think Catholic doctrine is morally disagreeable, why in the Hell are you still Catholic?
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    Re: Catholics angry as church puts female ordination on par with sex abuse

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    A left wing rag with left wing editors....

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    Really, so a few people say a paper is anti-semitic, and we are supposed to believe that? When so much as lightly criticizing Israel can lead to charges of anti-semitism?
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    Re: Catholics angry as church puts female ordination on par with sex abuse

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    What about Sharia law though?
    There are female imams...
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    Re: Catholics angry as church puts female ordination on par with sex abuse

    WTF is wrong with these people??? Child molestation is a minor inconvenience to be shrugged off , but women priest are soooo evil that they have to be excommunicated!!!! I mean seriously WTF!!!!
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    Re: Catholics angry as church puts female ordination on par with sex abuse

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    So the other marriages don't go through Christ. They wouldn't be considered "holy matrimony".
    Actually, there is some debate about whether or not mixed marriages are "holy" (the technical term would be "state of grace" if I am not mistaken). Essentially, there are those who consider that the marriage is in a state of grace with respect to the baptized Catholic party, and there are those who feel that the marriage does not confer a state of grace with respect to either party. But as far as I can tell there is no established Church doctrine on the matter.

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    Re: Catholics angry as church puts female ordination on par with sex abuse

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    Nope. Not Catholic, but my wife is Jewish
    Wasn't referring to you specifically. I'm referring to Catholics who disagree with the Church's stance on moral issues. If they believe that the Church is morally wrong, that it holds false and harmful beliefs, what possible value could still belonging to the Church hold for them? If the Church is wrong, how can it lead them to salvation?

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    Re: Catholics angry as church puts female ordination on par with sex abuse

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    I see this as a topic to be debated for Catholics only as it only affects them.
    I vehemently disagree on this.

    I'm not a Catholic, but my entire family is Catholic. My wife and her family are also Catholics. My wife currently wishes to baptize and raise our children as Catholics.

    So I absolutely have a vested interest in what the Catholic church decides because it directly affects me in a very real way.

    Trust me, one of the biggest points of contention in our marriage is that idea of raising our children to trust the Catholic Church.

    I have no problems raising our children as Christians who believe in God, because I would like them to have the spiritual comfort that comes from religion.

    But what I don't want is for them to be raised in any church that has proven itself to be a danger to children and that has misogynistic ideals.

    I've granted multiple concessions regarding the Church in my marriage thus far, including getting married in a Catholic church even though I felt it was a compromise of my own ideals to do so.

    I was willing to make a compromise in that regard because it only affected myself. But with **** like this being spewed by the Church, I flat-out refuse to give ground regarding our children.

    I will not raise my son to think it's safe to trust a Catholic priest. No way, no ****ing how.

    I will not raise my daughters to think that they are not fully and completely equal in the eyes of their God. No way, no ****ing how.

    I've done what Kori was asking about earlier. I found the Catholic doctrine morally disagreeable and that's why I'm not Catholic.

    If I were to suddenly rediscover a faith in God, I would still never return to the Catholic church because my disagreements with that Church are not due to my lack of belief in a god. I will never be a part of the Catholic Church again, regardless of any future circumstances or beliefs I have.

    So, while I understand your sentiment, the truth of the matter is that Catholic doctrine does affect non-Catholics as well.
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