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    Re: Catholics angry as church puts female ordination on par with sex abuse

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    They're both sets of religious laws that can be followed as long as they remain within the bounds of the laws of the nation. Don't let your kneejerk distaste for all things Muslim blind you to simple comparisons.
    Sharia law expoits women and eqates them to farm animals. To relate the two is completely absurd and a cheap shot.

    And no I'm not Catholic. I'm Episcopalian.
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    Re: Catholics angry as church puts female ordination on par with sex abuse

    Quote Originally Posted by RyrineaHaruno View Post
    These woman according to the Vatican are sinners in the highest regard, and to contain that they will be let back so easily is laughable. Heck my whole family on my Mothers side is Catholic, so I have inside knowledge on the workings of the Catholic Church. These things do take years to resolve, and they have to be approved by the church then, and only then are they allowed back in.
    An excommunication can takes years to effect as well, it is a serious proceeding. The canon law has its own version of "due process" and there are many steps between an allegation of delicta graviora, a defrocking, and an outright excommunication. The excommunication isn't likely to happen at all unless there is a willful violation of the sacrament, which case of priests who perform the illicit ordinations. Should such a priest perform the illicit ordinations, resulting in an excommunication, and then repent fully, he will be welcomed back into full communion as a matter of law. Now, in practice, what you are seeing with these illicit ordinations are priests who have made a conscious decision to perform these illicit ordinations in protest, so the fact is you just aren't likely to see repentance warranting a return to the communion. Furthermore, I have read nothing that indicates the revision of these norms applied to the illicitly ordained women, it seems like a contradiction that women could even commit a delict. Do you have a link the actual revisions? I can't seem to find it anywhere, so I can't really say what will happen to the women themselves. However, if an illicit ordination carries the penalty of excommunication, all they have to do to return to communion is renounce their illicit ordination and perform a full penance, and they will be returned to full communion as a matter of law.

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    To my latter point about Mary being the reason woman are demonized in Christianity is because she was the mother of Jesus Child. I'm not saying everything in the Dinvi CI Code is true I just think some of the things like Jesus having a Child with Mary is true.

    Gnostic writings say this to be true, and these are the earliest know writings to date about the life of Jesus which are dated to the 2nd century.


    This is why I don't believe they will back in, so easily
    It is getting a little tangential to the topic, but you are raising some interesting points. Historically, it is likely that Jesus and Mary Magdelene were husband and wife. A respected rabbi of the time would have been expected to be married, and Mary Magdelene just fits the bill. But there is really no definitive proof one way or another, and the Catholic Church takes the position that Jesus never married for a number of reasons. Similarly, there is no evidence whatsoever that Mary Magdelene was a prostitute, though this is part of the popular imagination it does not appear in the Bible nor is it part of the doctrine of the Catholic Church.

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    Re: Catholics angry as church puts female ordination on par with sex abuse

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Both care denominational laws based on religion. It's a clear similarity. Are there differences? Of course, I never suggested otherwise, but there are also similarities.
    One treats women as being on par with farm animals Redress. To equate them is completely dishonest.
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    Re: Catholics angry as church puts female ordination on par with sex abuse

    How is it that no matter what the original topic of the thread is within pages it somehow comes back to Islam?


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    Re: Catholics angry as church puts female ordination on par with sex abuse

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    How is it that no matter what the original topic of the thread is within pages it somehow comes back to Islam?
    Because we all know that Christianity is infallible. And so if anyone attacks Christianity in any way, we have to resort to bashing another religion to make the Christians look better.

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    Re: Catholics angry as church puts female ordination on par with sex abuse

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    How is it that no matter what the original topic of the thread is within pages it somehow comes back to Islam?
    'cause things are OK as long as islamic nutters do something worse
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    Re: Catholics angry as church puts female ordination on par with sex abuse

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    How is it that no matter what the original topic of the thread is within pages it somehow comes back to Islam?
    Islam is a beautiful religion and a religion of Peace. The best way to show it the respect it deserves is to not even acknowledge people who have an unfortunate axe to grind.

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    Re: Catholics angry as church puts female ordination on par with sex abuse

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    Islam is a beautiful religion and a religion of Peace. The best way to show it the respect it deserves is to not even acknowledge people who have an unfortunate axe to grind.
    Oh don't be bothered by other peoples comments on Islam. It is only Muslims opinion on Islam that matter anyway.
    If anything I am very flattered that so many on this forum have a psychotic obsession with my religion.


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    Re: Catholics angry as church puts female ordination on par with sex abuse

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Oh don't be bothered by other peoples comments on Islam. It is only Muslims opinion on Islam that matter anyway.
    If anything I am very flattered that so many on this forum have a psychotic obsession with my religion.
    Good points!

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    Re: Catholics angry as church puts female ordination on par with sex abuse

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    Sharia law expoits women and eqates them to farm animals.
    Hope you have a source for that other than a blog.
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