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    Re: Catholics angry as church puts female ordination on par with sex abuse

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Actually, yes, quite a lot actually...
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    Re: Catholics angry as church puts female ordination on par with sex abuse

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    That's not accurate, actually. A Catholic of either sex can marry a non-Catholic in a valid marriage, however it is considered "non-sacramental." It is still valid in almost every way, and it is for most practical purposes just a minor canon law distinction. A Catholic doesn't have to leave the Church to marry a non-Catholic.
    And what does "non-sacramental" mean?
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    Re: Catholics angry as church puts female ordination on par with sex abuse

    Quote Originally Posted by RyrineaHaruno View Post
    Guy, I did read alright and they will not be let back because they don't consider it a sin. I just think this is not a misconfiguration of the text, since it will be considered a grave sin.
    To your first point, I would say that that is up to the women and the priests who ordain them rather than the Church. Any repentant excommunicant will be readmitted, and non-penitant excommunicants will not be. I don't think it's accurate to say that they "will not be let back in" because they will be "let back in" provided they do what is required of them. I don't think it's any different that, say, a Catholic who becomes a Freemason. Such a person will be excommunicated automatically (assuming they are aware of the prohibition against Freemasonry), and can be readmitted only if they cease the practice of Freemasonry.

    To your second point, it is not merely sin we can are talking about but the canon law concept of "delict," which are divided into "delictum grave" (grave), "delictum gravius" (more grave), and "delictum gravissimus" (gravest). Do you have a link to revision to the Norms? I haven't been able to turn it up. But at the very least there is a mistranslation of the standard of delict applied to child abuse, as it is not a "grave delict" but a "more grave delict."

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    Re: Catholics angry as church puts female ordination on par with sex abuse

    This is one reason why I am a non-Catholic Christian. I think they have a lot of messed up ideology (no offense to Catholics).
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    Re: Catholics angry as church puts female ordination on par with sex abuse

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    And what does "non-sacramental" mean?
    Well, without getting too theological, a non-sacramental marriage can be annulled by a bishop and a sacramental marriage cannot.

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    Re: Catholics angry as church puts female ordination on par with sex abuse

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    This is one reason why I am a non-Catholic Christian. I think they have a lot of messed up ideology (no offense to Catholics).
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    Re: Catholics angry as church puts female ordination on par with sex abuse

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    What are you? A Baptist?
    Nope, non-denominational.
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    Re: Catholics angry as church puts female ordination on par with sex abuse

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    Nope, non-denominational.
    Interesting. You have a pastor?
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    Re: Catholics angry as church puts female ordination on par with sex abuse

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    Interesting. You have a pastor?
    Yes, but I form my beliefs for myself based on the Bible. I listen to others and take their beliefs to heart, but ultimately I form my beliefs and I don't let a certain sect of Christianity do that for me.
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    Re: Catholics angry as church puts female ordination on par with sex abuse

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    Well, without getting too theological, a non-sacramental marriage can be annulled by a bishop and a sacramental marriage cannot.
    Why would they make a distinction?
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