Originally Posted by Jerry
Secondly, it's really mischaracterizing this addition to canon law to say that it puts female ordination "on par" with child abuse. Nothing of the sort is happening. The attempted ordination of women is a "grave delict" against the sacrament of ordination. I suspect that this is based on a mistranslations.
Child abuse is considered a "delictum gravius," literally a "more grave delict." Though I haven't been able to confirm this anywhere, I'm guessing attempted ordination of a woman is "delictum grave" only. But even if it is also "delictum gravius" it only reflects the seriousness of the sin as against the sacrament, not as a crime against morality.Originally Posted by Catholic News Service
Also, you have to keep in mind that the Church doesn't really have an interest in appeasing the slim segment of mostly European and American liberal Catholics who want to see female ordination. The Church works in geologic time, not in human lifetimes, so I see this as a reaffirmation of the stance on male-only ordination, in the wake of the Anglican decision to the contrary, to appease the vast swaths of conservatives in Africa and Latin America. But at the same time this could be a build up to a move toward allowing priests to marry, which is seen by many as the solution to both the child abuse crisis and the priest shortage.
Last edited by Guy Incognito; 07-15-10 at 08:36 PM.
Guy, I did read alright and they will not be let back because they don't consider it a sin. I just think this is not a misconfiguration of the text, since it will be considered a grave sin.
Actually your wrong it quite the opposite from the articleActually, yes, quite a lot actually...
Data from countries in which church membership is officially registered suggest tens of thousands of Catholics, perhaps hundreds of thousands, have abandoned their faith in disgust.
Last edited by RyrineaHaruno; 07-15-10 at 08:41 PM.
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The title says one thing and the article says another, the Vatican made the ordination of women a grave offense in ecclesiastical law, that isn't saying much about what the decree made by the Vatican actually says. Either way I find this part of the article a lot more troubling:
The Catholic Church is digging a much deeper hole by making sure its clergy feels absolutely no real pressure in denouncing suspected pedophiles. The 'reminder' by Padre Lombardi is nothing more than a reminder of what they've already been doing, avoiding publicity at all costs and refusing to acknowledge a very real problem within the church.Since scandals blew up in Germany in January, five Roman Catholic bishops have resigned as evidence has come to light of priests who raped or molested children, and of superiors who turned a blind eye to safeguard the reputation of the church. Data from countries in which church membership is officially registered suggest tens of thousands of Catholics, perhaps hundreds of thousands, have abandoned their faith in disgust.
Father Federico Lombardi, the pope's spokesman, stressed that the new rules on sex abuse applied solely to procedures for defrocking priests under canon law. They had no bearing on whether suspected offenders were notified to the civil authorities – he said bishops had already been reminded of their duty to do so.
The most important change is to extend the period during which a clergyman can be tried by a church court from 10 to 20 years, dating from the 18th birthday of his victim. Many people who were abused by priests are unable to summon up the courage to come forward until well into adulthood.
The new norms also streamline the procedures for dealing with the most urgent and serious cases, enabling bishops to defrock priests without a long, costly trial. They put abuse of the mentally disabled on a level with that of minors. And they introduce a new crime of paedophile pornography, defined as "the acquisition, possession or disclosure" by a clergyman of pornographic images of children below the age of 14.
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