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    Re: Catholics angry as church puts female ordination on par with sex abuse

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    She isn't required to do ****. She chooses to do it.

    Much like I chose too marry her despite her Catholicism.
    Actually, according to the teachings of the Church, Catholics are REQUIRED to raise their children Catholic. If you aren't, you aren't following the teachings of the Church.
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    Re: Catholics angry as church puts female ordination on par with sex abuse

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Actually, according to the teachings of the Church, Catholics are REQUIRED to raise their children Catholic. If you aren't, you aren't following the teachings of the Church.
    What will the Church do if they don't raise their kids Catholic?
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    Re: Catholics angry as church puts female ordination on par with sex abuse

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    Sunday mornings are still the most segregated time of the week in America.
    Not in Catholic masses. The most diverse church services I have ever attended are in Catholic parishes...
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    Re: Catholics angry as church puts female ordination on par with sex abuse

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Not in Catholic masses. The most diverse church services I have ever attended are in Catholic parishes...
    This may be true. I don't know. But my comment was in response to Hatuey's comment about discrimination. Minority women can attend, but still can't be ordained for reasons that can't be articulated beyond "It is so. It has always been so."
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    Re: Catholics angry as church puts female ordination on par with sex abuse

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    Good question, I'd say it depends on who you ask. Arguably the prohibition against female ordination goes back to the very beginning of the Church, but there is some very good evidence that the ordination of women to the diaconate was commonplace in the early Church. But there is no serious contention that women were ever ordained to the priesthood, so in that respect it is consistent with a liturgical tradition going back to the beginning of the Church.
    OK, gotcha...

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but Scripture says nothing of the kind that women are ordained in a Catholic church, right?

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    Re: Catholics angry as church puts female ordination on par with sex abuse

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    Strictly speaking, access to the sacraments isn't about spiritual equality, it is about rules set by the Ecclesia. The rules may be discriminatory and treat people differently, but inequality in receipt of sacraments is not identical to inequality before God. A priest cannot receive the sacrament of marriage after ordination, and a married person cannot receive the sacrament of ordination while married, but this unequal application of the sacraments does not "defy" God. There are theologically persuasive arguments for ordination of women in the Catholic Church, but you are not making one, IT.
    The one exception to this, to my knowledge, is receiving Holy Orders to the permanent deaconate. This may be received by married men, but married men who receive it may not marry again in case of a pre-deceased spouse...
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    Re: Catholics angry as church puts female ordination on par with sex abuse

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    What will the Church do if they don't raise their kids Catholic?
    Talk with an individual priest... Don't believe it is an offense for which one would be denied the Sacrament, but if you don't do it, you are also not living according to the teachings of the Church and would likely need to go to the Confessional regarding it...
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    Re: Catholics angry as church puts female ordination on par with sex abuse

    The rationale for not ordaning women is far deeper than that, but frankly, I have no desire to get into a discussion I have already rehashed on here several times...
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    Re: Catholics angry as church puts female ordination on par with sex abuse

    Like what I told many on some other thread about reading, the New Testament, I'll say this to all naysayers...

    Have you ever taken the time to read, the catechism of the Catholic church? The authority and wisdom behind and in it?

    I believe, it is the will of God as interpreted by the Church that women will not be ordained. Sacred Scripture gives evidence to the sacramental ordination of the apostles – all of whom were male, so sacred tradition teaches that females are not to be ordained and Catholics are required to humbly obey it. Period. End of story

    And I'm not Catholic

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    Re: Catholics angry as church puts female ordination on par with sex abuse

    The Catholic Church is a political organization. Always has been and always will be. The idea that these rules are about faith is simply a distortion of reality.

    Someone else said it best in this thread. The rules of the Church are the petty rules of men, not God. One's relationship with God has nothing to do with the Church, and anyone who believes their worship is somehow less because they don't kiss the shoes of the pope is obeying a lie, and I don't care what Catholic gets offended by my saying so.

    A lot of people spend their days on these forums ranting on and on about the radical aspects of Islam. The Catholic Church is just as socially radical. I am not Catholic but this affects me, as Catholicism is huge worldwide. It is responsible for propagating twisted social ideals that are corrosive to society, and hate towards those who are in opposition to its political agenda of control. I mean, let's forget the fact that women are dirty in Catholism, or that I'm going to hell for loving a man, but we're all going to hell if we don't worship some little man in the Vatican. It is a small minded, egoistic HUMAN organization that has little to do with God.

    God is love, God is justice, and God makes no distinction between who wears the cross, the star of david, or who worships the trees in the woods. Organizations like these are responsible for the truth of God being silenced for thousands of years, all under petty theocratic dictatorships.

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