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    Re: Argentine Senate backs bill legalising gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    That would hurt innocent people. Legalizing gay marriage hurts NO ONE.
    Legalizing gay marriage is imposing upon everyone at the state level, that homosexuality is moral and equal to a heterosexual union. That homosexual unions fit the definition of marriage. Not extending the marriage definition to homosexual unions doesn't harm anyone either. It's a clash of morals in regards to how marriage should be defined.
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    Re: Argentine Senate backs bill legalising gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Legalizing gay marriage is imposing upon everyone at the state level, that homosexuality is moral and equal to a heterosexual union. That homosexual unions fit the definition of marriage. Not extending the marriage definition to homosexual unions doesn't harm anyone either. It's a clash of morals in regards to how marriage should be defined.
    You still have yet to prove who it physically hurts. Mental hurt perhaps, to peoples pride. But nothing more then that.

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    Re: Argentine Senate backs bill legalising gay marriage

    Well done Argentina!

    Really, after a couple of years of it being legal, you barely notice the difference.


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    Re: Argentine Senate backs bill legalising gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Well done Argentina!

    Really, after a couple of years of it being legal, you barely notice the difference.
    Well, unless you are gay and can get married now. They will notice the difference.
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    Re: Argentine Senate backs bill legalising gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Well, unless you are gay and can get married now. They will notice the difference.
    Apart from them ofc.
    But despite fears, it doesn't bring down the institution of marriage


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    Re: Argentine Senate backs bill legalising gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    You still have yet to prove who it physically hurts. Mental hurt perhaps, to peoples pride. But nothing more then that.
    It doesn't have to physically hurt anyone. What it hurts is the institution of marriage and would be an arrogant judgement of people's morals if they, as a majority, do not believe marriage can be defined as a union between two homosexuals. It hurts no one to not define a homosexual union as marriage either. It's about changing the definition of marriage. I looked for statistics regarding the Argentinian public opinion of gay marriage and this is what I found. http://www.angus-reid.com/polls/view..._sex_marriage/
    A survey by Poliarquía Consultores shows that 35% of Argentinians support gay marriage, 60% oppose it, and 5% are unsure. The government of Argentina is acting in a very bigoted way by imposing their morals upon an entire country of people who by a majority, oppose gay marriage.
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    Re: Argentine Senate backs bill legalising gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    It doesn't have to physically hurt anyone. What it hurts is the institution of marriage and would be an arrogant judgement of people's morals if they, as a majority, do not believe marriage can be defined as a union between two homosexuals. It hurts no one to not define a homosexual union as marriage either. It's about changing the definition of marriage.
    Well then athiests shouldn't be allowed to get married... but they do. Christian couples get divorced all the time, they cheat, they're disloyal and they lie. Marriage doesn't mean much anymore these days, it's a symbolic gesture, but in this day and age, in our society, it seems to carry almost 0 Weight anymore.

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    Re: Argentine Senate backs bill legalising gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Well then athiests shouldn't be allowed to get married... but they do. Christian couples get divorced all the time, they cheat, they're disloyal and they lie. Marriage doesn't mean much anymore these days, it's a symbolic gesture, but in this day and age, in our society, it seems to carry almost 0 Weight anymore.
    Why shouldn't atheists be allowed to marry? What does that have to do with gay marriage? Marriage is traditionally defined as a union between a man and wife (not two men or two women). Should we further degrade marriage by including homosexuality as a union that fits the marriage definition? The Argentinian society by a majority opposes recognizing homosexual unions as marriage. It would be a bigoted and oppressive imposition of secular morals to nationally recognize homosexual unions as marriage when the majority of people oppose it.
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    Re: Argentine Senate backs bill legalising gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    It would be a bigoted and oppressive imposition of secular morals to nationally recognize homosexual unions as marriage when the majority of people oppose it.
    How is it bigoted? What's bigoted is not giving them their rights.

    As far as bringing athiests into it. Marriage is a christain invention, it's always kind of existed but in different forms. Tradition isn't a good enough excuse sometimes to deny people rights.

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    Re: Argentine Senate backs bill legalising gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    How is it bigoted? What's bigoted is not giving them their rights.
    Marriage is a social, religious, and legal institution. In secular democracies religion cannot directly dictate marriage, therefore the religious aspect is irrelevant. The two remaining factors are the legal and social ones. Society dictates how they want to define marriage, and the state takes legal action upon that. Some countries include polygamy as an acceptable marriage, others criminalize it. Some have gay marriage, and others don't. The definition of marriage varies around the world, and it's due to the three factors I stated earlier. It is my belief (and this is shared among the majority of Argentineans) that marriage is not defined as a union between homosexuals as well as heterosexuals. Homosexuals do not have the right to have their union recognized as marriage or as moral by the state. They have the right to be homosexuals, but not to call their union marriage. The right regarding all of this, is that society has the right to define marriage however it wants whether we believe that definition is moral or immoral. It's a clash between moral systems and two definitions of marriage. It would be bigoted for the Argentinian government to impose upon everyone their secular morals and their inclusion of homosexual unions into the marriage of definition. They are imposing their morals upon a majority who do not hold those beliefs, and that majority isn't allowed to have a say in the matter either. Most people don't like when their country does the opposite of what the majority of people want. We wouldn't want the country to start a war when the majority of people oppose it. People wouldn't like it if their government criminalized abortion if the majority of people want it legal. Why should it be ok to impose secular morals and redefine marriage when a majority of the people don't want that?
    As far as bringing athiests into it. Marriage is a christain invention, it's always kind of existed but in different forms. Tradition isn't a good enough excuse sometimes to deny people rights.
    Marriage is an aspect of Christianity, but many other religions and cultures define marriage as well. In nations where the majority of the population is Christian you will find Christian definitions for marriage. There is a Muslim definition for marriage (a man may have four wives) and we see that in Muslim countries and theocracies. Why do homosexuals have the right to redefine marriage and impose upon everyone a moral code at the stat level? People have the right to their opinion that homosexuals should be allowed to legally wed, but there is no right that forces that opinion into law in as much as there is no right to impose another moral code into law. The right that exists is the one for society to democratically decide what marriage is.
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