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    Re: N.J. top court rules police must explain DWI test laws in native language

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    So, foreigners are expecting us to learn their language, but refuse to learn ours. Supplying them with a translator all the time? lmao

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    Re: N.J. top court rules police must explain DWI test laws in native language

    Quote Originally Posted by RyrineaHaruno View Post
    Dude we are a society of many different languages not every one off the boat understands English, so in other words piss off we aren't going to have a national language. Is it so hard for conservatives to understand this?
    The U.S. needs a national language. Police officers can't be expected to be able to communicate in every language that may be spoken by motorists that they stop.
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    Re: N.J. top court rules police must explain DWI test laws in native language

    Quote Originally Posted by ScottD View Post
    First off the word basic comes to mind there. I don't think you can explain a DWI with just basic English as is probably implied by that law. Also, just because you must speak it does not make it our national language. In Japan you are required to be able to speak English, but that doesn't make English their national language.
    English language skills in Japan are awful. I speak better Japanese than most Japanese speak English...
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    Re: N.J. top court rules police must explain DWI test laws in native language

    I think the court's decision was correct. Not because of the national language/not national language deal, but because convicting someone for "refusal" to take the test is stupid when they aren't aware you're asking them to take it. If a cop asks you a question in sign language, you shouldn't go to jail for not answering.

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    English language skills in Japan are awful. I speak better Japanese than most Japanese speak English...
    English is one of the hardest languages to learn because it's based in so many different other languages, and the spelling/grammar/structure rules are completely inconsistent.
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    Re: N.J. top court rules police must explain DWI test laws in native language

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    I think the court's decision was correct. Not because of the national language/not national language deal, but because convicting someone for "refusal" to take the test is stupid when they aren't aware you're asking them to take it. If a cop asks you a question in sign language, you shouldn't go to jail for not answering.
    So, you expect cops to speak EVERY language that may be spoken by everyone they pull over?!?!? Absurd...
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    Re: N.J. top court rules police must explain DWI test laws in native language

    Quote Originally Posted by Crunch View Post
    So piss off about us not having a national language.... we do, and it's mandated by federal law.
    The Federal govt has an official language or something. Not the country.

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    Re: N.J. top court rules police must explain DWI test laws in native language

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    So, you expect cops to speak EVERY language that may be spoken by everyone they pull over?!?!? Absurd...
    It'd be a simple matter of bringing them to the station and contacting their embassy who will be able to tell them what's going on.

    What is more absurd is arresting people simply because they cannot comprehend what is being asked of them. It's a crappy situation but that's reality. Not everyone can speak the common tongue and the system needs to adapt, especially if we are still letting immigrants into our country for economic reasons.

    You can't have your cake and eat it too.

    EDIT: In Canada there are two official languages but the system still offers many translations of documents and services in other languages. Immigrants tend to reside in or near urban centres so it's not a stretch of resources to find someone who speaks their language.
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    Re: N.J. top court rules police must explain DWI test laws in native language

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    It'd be a simple matter of bringing them to the station and contacting their embassy who will be able to tell them what's going on.
    We are talking about a DWI test. YOu take them to the station, contact their embassy/consulate (which may not be staffed at the particular point in time we are talking about) all in the meantime, the suspect is sobering up. DWI tests are time sensititive. The longer you wait, the more you lose the usefulness of the test.

    What is more absurd is arresting people simply because they cannot comprehend what is being asked of them. It's a crappy situation but that's reality. Not everyone can speak the common tongue and the system needs to adapt, especially if we are still letting immigrants into our country for economic reasons.
    No, in this case, the immigrants need to adapt.

    EDIT: In Canada there are two official languages but the system still offers many translations of documents and services in other languages. Immigrants tend to reside in or near urban centres so it's not a stretch of resources to find someone who speaks their language.
    We are not talking about documents, we are talking about a time sensitive test
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    Re: N.J. top court rules police must explain DWI test laws in native language

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    We are talking about a DWI test. YOu take them to the station, contact their embassy/consulate (which may not be staffed at the particular point in time we are talking about) all in the meantime, the suspect is sobering up. DWI tests are time sensititive. The longer you wait, the more you lose the usefulness of the test.
    All embassies have emergency lines that are 24/7. It's not hard to get help. I've used them and so have many people I've traveled with. It's their job to be available all the time. Most people immigrating to the U.S. ostensibly have this information.

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    No, in this case, the immigrants need to adapt.
    What makes you think they aren't trying to already? I am tired of the anti-immigrant spin on here for every single story that comes up. In my first year in China, it took me at least 9 months to start talking at a comfortable level and to comprehend what people were saying to me, and I was there legally and studying hard. I think so few people comprehend that not all immigrants are lazy, inconsiderate people who are here to leech off our wealth. Many come here with earnest intentions which include learning the language, and it's not easy.

    I agree with the court ruling. If the person cannot understand the test due to a language barrier then that should not imply their guilt.

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    We are not talking about documents, we are talking about a time sensitive test.
    A test that could turn ugly if the person doesn't understand what is happening, especially if the cop tries to proceed anyway.

    The rights of the individual are paramount, especially when dealing with police. If the cops can't convey the situation to the person then they need to get someone on the line who can.

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    Re: N.J. top court rules police must explain DWI test laws in native language

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    All embassies have emergency lines that are 24/7. It's not hard to get help. I've used them and so have many people I've traveled with. It's their job to be available all the time. Most people immigrating to the U.S. ostensibly have this information.
    So, let's see... You take the guy who CLAIMS not to speak English to the station, call the embassy/consulate, get a hold of someone who can explain the situation to the perp, who then can give informed concent. Let's say an hour has passed in the meantime. Do you think the DWI test will show the same reading as it would have if the driver were administered at the time he was seen weaving on the road? Answer this honestly.


    I agree with the court ruling. If the person cannot understand the test due to a language barrier then that should not imply their guilt.
    It isn't about guilt. It is about administering a test in a timely fashion to see if someone is indeed violating sobriety laws or not.

    A test that could turn ugly if the person doesn't understand what is happening, especially if the cop tries to proceed anyway.

    The rights of the individual are paramount, especially when dealing with police. If the cops can't convey the situation to the person then they need to get someone on the line who can.
    In this case, public safety trumps. Administering a sobriety test on the road violates no rights. Driving a car is not a right, it is a privilege. You abuse it, you lose it. You DWI, then you lose it. Take him to the station, notify the embassy/consulate and he registers a .07 instead of a .09... that is wrong...
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