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    ATF seizes 1,000 guns in East Mesa raid

    PHOENIX (AP) - Federal agents have raided a home in unincorporated East Mesa and reportedly pulled 1,000 guns from the residence.
    IMHO, I don't care if the guy had a million guns at his home. If he was committing no crime with them, then he has every right to have them.

    So, a quick question for you: Which is more dangerous, a guy with 1,000 guns, who has committed no crime, or a government that wants to take them away, without any evidence that a crime has been committed?

    Article is here.
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    Re: ATF seizes 1,000 guns in East Mesa raid

    Well the article says it was just rifles, pistols, and shotguns. I see nothing wrong with that. I am curious to hear on why they were taken.

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    Re: ATF seizes 1,000 guns in East Mesa raid

    You are quite correct, constitutionally and all that.

    The only danger I can think of is the risk of theft? Having 1000 guns + Ammo stolen doesn't sound good at all. Besides that I dunno

    but would not comment later on the nature of the investigation.
    The articles pretty brief, I would like to know more, guess wait and see.

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    Re: ATF seizes 1,000 guns in East Mesa raid

    Well, that certainly is a large number of firearms. I, too, wonder what prompted the raid. I think assuming that it was for mere possession of them is jumping to conclusions.
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    Re: ATF seizes 1,000 guns in East Mesa raid

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    IMHO, I don't care if the guy had a million guns at his home. If he was committing no crime with them, then he has every right to have them.

    So, a quick question for you: Which is more dangerous, a guy with 1,000 guns, who has committed no crime, or a government that wants to take them away, without any evidence that a crime has been committed?

    Article is here.
    Here is a link to a more complete story.

    ATF seizes guns in raid of East Mesa home

    The guy was an FFL holder, it expired in 06.
    He was still selling guns, although those guns aren't really meant or usually used for criminal purposes.
    All he did wrong was not renew a sellers license, which in my opinion is bull**** because it doesn't do anything to stop crime.
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    Re: ATF seizes 1,000 guns in East Mesa raid

    Seems pretty obvious to me. His address was listed as the address of several businesses selling firearms. Was he licensed to sell firearms? Does he follow the law regarding firearms sales in the state of Arizona? Is it legal to KEEP 1,000 guns in a residential home?

    Medical marijuana is legal in California. I'm guessing they'd probably arrest someone who had a thousand pounds of it in their basement....even if they did have script.

    Why always assume government conspiracy? And what makes you think no crime has been committed?
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    Re: ATF seizes 1,000 guns in East Mesa raid

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    IMHO, I don't care if the guy had a million guns at his home. If he was committing no crime with them, then he has every right to have them.

    So, a quick question for you: Which is more dangerous, a guy with 1,000 guns, who has committed no crime, or a government that wants to take them away, without any evidence that a crime has been committed?

    Article is here.
    Technically if he had those guns without them being properly registered, they were illegal.

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    Re: ATF seizes 1,000 guns in East Mesa raid

    If he was committing no crime with them, then he has every right to have them.
    If someone is building bombs, but hasn't committed a crime with them, should he be allowed to have them?

    Once you reach a certain point, you cant really make an argument that these are for personal use and it sounds much more like the guy is stocking up for an army.
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    Re: ATF seizes 1,000 guns in East Mesa raid

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Seems pretty obvious to me. His address was listed as the address of several businesses selling firearms. Was he licensed to sell firearms? Does he follow the law regarding firearms sales in the state of Arizona? Is it legal to KEEP 1,000 guns in a residential home?

    Medical marijuana is legal in California. I'm guessing they'd probably arrest someone who had a thousand pounds of it in their basement....even if they did have script.

    Why always assume government conspiracy? And what makes you think no crime has been committed?
    It's not necessarily illegal to sell guns without a license.
    Depends on the circumstances.
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    Re: ATF seizes 1,000 guns in East Mesa raid

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Technically if he had those guns without them being properly registered, they were illegal.
    There is no such thing as federal gun registration in the U.S.
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