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    Re: ATF seizes 1,000 guns in East Mesa raid

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I agree it is, especially if you face the wrath of an ATF raid.
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    Re: ATF seizes 1,000 guns in East Mesa raid

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Seems pretty obvious to me. His address was listed as the address of several businesses selling firearms. Was he licensed to sell firearms? Does he follow the law regarding firearms sales in the state of Arizona? Is it legal to KEEP 1,000 guns in a residential home?

    Medical marijuana is legal in California. I'm guessing they'd probably arrest someone who had a thousand pounds of it in their basement....even if they did have script.

    Why always assume government conspiracy? And what makes you think no crime has been committed?
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    Re: ATF seizes 1,000 guns in East Mesa raid

    Quote Originally Posted by jujuman13 View Post
    What makes you think a crime has been committed?
    Again, there's a reason that building bombs is illegal.

    Stockpiling weapons is illegal because a stockpile of weapons is used, generally, for purposes that tend to make law enforcement twitchy.
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    Re: ATF seizes 1,000 guns in East Mesa raid

    @ JuJuman -- I was responding to the original post. To me, the post implied this was an illegal seizure. My post pointed out there could be many reasons for the raid. The article raised more questions than it answered.
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    Re: ATF seizes 1,000 guns in East Mesa raid

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    2nd Ammendments Thumpers coming in 3... 2... 1...


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    Re: ATF seizes 1,000 guns in East Mesa raid

    Seriously though... to my knowlege there is no Federal law limiting how many guns you can own. I know private collectors who literally own hundreds.

    It would appear that the man's offense was failing to renew his FFL and continuing to do biz as a gun dealer... but questions remain as to whether any of his actions were actually felonious or even truly illegal.

    I've seen enough ATF bullsheet to distrust them as a matter of policy, but given the general lack of solid information I'd have to reserve final judgement until I know more.

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    Re: ATF seizes 1,000 guns in East Mesa raid

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Seriously though... to my knowlege there is no Federal law limiting how many guns you can own. I know private collectors who literally own hundreds.
    Im sure they also have proper paperwork and licensing information for their collection.

    It would appear that the man's offense was failing to renew his FFL and continuing to do biz as a gun dealer... but questions remain as to whether any of his actions were actually felonious or even truly illegal.
    Again, it's the same principal as building bombs; even if you havent done anything illegal and dont plan to, it's still illegal.
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    Re: ATF seizes 1,000 guns in East Mesa raid

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoplite View Post
    Im sure they also have proper paperwork and licensing information for their collection.

    Again, it's the same principal as building bombs; even if you havent done anything illegal and dont plan to, it's still illegal.

    Ok. Please cite the exact federal laws that the man violated, other than failing to renew FFL while continuing to act as a dealer. Please cite the federal law that says you can't own X number of guns.

    As for proper paperwork... in my state you don't have to have ANY paperwork to own a firearm, or 10, or 100. When you buy the thing you fill out the standard form, which (last time I checked) was kept on file by the dealer for 90 days and then supposed to be destroyed.

    No cop in my state will ever ask you to show him the paperwork on a gun you own, because, for the possessor, there isn't any.

    I don't know where people get the idea that all guns have to be registered and require papers merely to possess. There is no such federal law, and no such state law in many states.
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    Re: ATF seizes 1,000 guns in East Mesa raid

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    2nd Ammendments Thumpers coming in 3... 2... 1...
    Yeah. Those damn 2nd amendment advocates. What next 1st amendment advocates? You should have to register your pencils, computer,religious books, regular books, paper, telephones and other things used to exercise first amendment rights and you should only be limited to only one of those things a month. So what if those things are right.
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    Re: ATF seizes 1,000 guns in East Mesa raid

    If I had that many guns, I'd line them all up and connect all their triggers via some sort of complicated string device, and fire them all at the same time.

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