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    Re: ATF seizes 1,000 guns in East Mesa raid

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    Re: ATF seizes 1,000 guns in East Mesa raid

    After reading the fuller story it does just seem like it was because he didn't renew his license in four years. Hell even the ATF officer didn't think the guns for the most part were for criminal purposes.

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    Re: ATF seizes 1,000 guns in East Mesa raid

    Not a lot of information to go by on the article. It is troubling that the ATF, knowing that such a raid would garner media attention, has not commented or put out information as to why this raid happened.

    EDIT: Just saw the more complete article which explains more. Thanks Harry.

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    Re: ATF seizes 1,000 guns in East Mesa raid

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Not a lot of information to go by on the article. It is troubling that the ATF, knowing that such a raid would garner media attention, has not commented or put out information as to why this raid happened.

    EDIT: Just saw the more complete article which explains more. Thanks Harry.
    Most of these type of stores, traveling with gun shows and internet sales, are run by old guys and their wife.

    The FFL process can be clunky and annoying to follow.
    If I'm not mistaken, you don't really renew your license but have to reapply all over again, going through all the same crap the first time.

    A simple conformation background check to make sure you aren't a criminal should suffice for an FFL renewal.
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    Re: ATF seizes 1,000 guns in East Mesa raid

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Here is a link to a more complete story.

    ATF seizes guns in raid of East Mesa home

    The guy was an FFL holder, it expired in 06.
    He was still selling guns, although those guns aren't really meant or usually used for criminal purposes.
    All he did wrong was not renew a sellers license, which in my opinion is bull**** because it doesn't do anything to stop crime.
    as the story states, he also sold guns to undercover agents with out of state id, which is illegal, and the story also states that some guns were tied to illegal activity. so no, he did more than overlook renewing a license for 4 years.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: ATF seizes 1,000 guns in East Mesa raid

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    as the story states, he also sold guns to undercover agents with out of state id, which is illegal, and the story also states that some guns were tied to illegal activity. so no, he did more than overlook renewing a license for 4 years.
    I saw that too but that isn't completely true.
    Selling handguns to people with an out of state DL is illegal, not for long guns though.

    I used to work for a store that was included in the lawsuit that Mayor Bloomberg started.
    Some of the guns that our store sold were used in crimes in New York city.
    We were a fully licensed FFL dealer.
    It happens but we always complied with the law, including the time we reported a man buying 10 of the same gun.
    Which was later found out that he was trying to smuggle them to Haiti.
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    Re: ATF seizes 1,000 guns in East Mesa raid

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I saw that too but that isn't completely true.
    Selling handguns to people with an out of state DL is illegal, not for long guns though.

    I used to work for a store that was included in the lawsuit that Mayor Bloomberg started.
    Some of the guns that our store sold were used in crimes in New York city.
    We were a fully licensed FFL dealer.
    It happens but we always complied with the law, including the time we reported a man buying 10 of the same gun.
    Which was later found out that he was trying to smuggle them to Haiti.
    as they mentioned it as illegal, i have to assume they weren't long guns. what is the issue with not renewing a license for 4 years? wouldn't that have pre-empted this?

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: ATF seizes 1,000 guns in East Mesa raid

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    as they mentioned it as illegal, i have to assume they weren't long guns. what is the issue with not renewing a license for 4 years? wouldn't that have pre-empted this?
    It's not always illegal.

    Like right now, I could sell all of my guns to a random person on the street.
    It wouldn't be illegal at all, I could even turn a profit no problems.

    The license is mainly a business license and not really a sellers license.
    To be in the business of selling firearms, you have to have a license and fixed location.
    There is also a bound book requirement and NCIS check.
    The story doesn't mention those but if he kept those records, he really wasn't trying to be criminal.

    If the license is anything like the C&R 03 license and the CCW permit, you have to completely refill the forms, get fingerprinted again and go through all the other hoops in order to be a fully licensed dealer.
    It can take several months.
    To me, it seems like a way to harass people, more than to ensure safety.
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    Re: ATF seizes 1,000 guns in East Mesa raid

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    It's not always illegal.

    Like right now, I could sell all of my guns to a random person on the street.
    It wouldn't be illegal at all, I could even turn a profit no problems.

    The license is mainly a business license and not really a sellers license.
    To be in the business of selling firearms, you have to have a license and fixed location.
    There is also a bound book requirement and NCIS check.
    The story doesn't mention those but if he kept those records, he really wasn't trying to be criminal.

    If the license is anything like the C&R 03 license and the CCW permit, you have to completely refill the forms, get fingerprinted again and go through all the other hoops in order to be a fully licensed dealer.
    It can take several months.
    To me, it seems like a way to harass people, more than to ensure safety.
    i wasn't assuming he was a criminal, but it seems kinda silly not to renew your seller's license just becasue it's a bit inconvenient.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: ATF seizes 1,000 guns in East Mesa raid

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    i wasn't assuming he was a criminal, but it seems kinda silly not to renew your seller's license just becasue it's a bit inconvenient.
    I agree it is, especially if you face the wrath of an ATF raid.
    Just on my soap box of irrational gun laws, sorry.
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