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    Re: Felons Voting Illegally May Have Put Franken Over the Top in Minnesota, Study Fin

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    I would like to see proof that these people vote for Franken before casting judgment. I know what the stereotype is, but a stereotype is not enough to convince me.
    That's fair. Still I wouldn't be surprised at anything in politics especially coming from Louisiana, we have dirty politics down to a science, even though Illinois elevated it to an art form.
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    Re: Felons Voting Illegally May Have Put Franken Over the Top in Minnesota, Study Fin

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Well, hold on now Singularity. If the opposite had happened and Coleman won the exact way that Franken did and this came out, dependant on credibility I would feel the same way. The credibility argument only because I as many others have seen some dirty journalistic/political group tactics in the past. I feel that the candidate that wins gets seated whether or not I like them as long as it was a legitimate win. Hugh is exactly right here.


    You're correct. Hugh Akston is spot on, which is why I thanked him and told him his common sense and inclination towards intelligent, honest discourse has no place on this thread, given the "OMG OBAMA IS TEH LIARZ" and subsequent partisan bashing. This is a topic that conservatives and libs can probably all agree on, but given the rampant accusations that liberals lean towards voter fraud simply to ensure their candidate wins, I think any sort of honest discussion hit the wastebasket by page 2.

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    Re: Felons Voting Illegally May Have Put Franken Over the Top in Minnesota, Study Fin

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    I think 46% of statistics are made up....


    I think most felons are a-political, but logic would dictate if they are voting, they are going to vote for the guy who's going to give them more, and not the guy who would be tougher on crime.

    Historically that would mean liberal....


    To me, though, if felons are voting, they are being egged on to by sinister characters of ill repute. Again, historically, the dead and felons have indeed voted for dems.
    "Logic dictates they'd vote for those who give them more?" If that were true, nobody under a certain income level would vote liberal. This is just burying your head in the sand type of thinking. Besides, you're failing to consider that these people had lives before prison. Redneck gun carrying bible thumper man isn't going to suddenly become liberal just because he got arrested. The Aryan Brotherhood is still a strong presence in prisons, they're certainly conservatives. This "historical" record of dead people voting is irrelevant, because dead people don't actually vote. Sombody living had to do it, and they're going to fake votes towards whichever candidate they personally prefer.

    92% wasn't a made up statistic. It's the percentage of these felon-voters that would have to vote for Franken in order to have changed the election outcome. (91.7%, actually) You don't think that 9% of felons might be redneck conservative types who wouldn't vote Democrat if you put a gun to their head? Remember, this is Minnesota. From about St. Cloud on northward it's a pretty conservative state.
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    Re: Felons Voting Illegally May Have Put Franken Over the Top in Minnesota, Study Fin

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    I think 46% of statistics are made up....


    I think most felons are a-political, but logic would dictate if they are voting, they are going to vote for the guy who's going to give them more, and not the guy who would be tougher on crime.

    Historically that would mean liberal....


    To me, though, if felons are voting, they are being egged on to by sinister characters of ill repute. Again, historically, the dead and felons have indeed voted for dems.
    I think you are stereotyping here though. We don't know anything about these felons, except that they voted (or someone registered their name and voted for them). They could be anything from hardened sociopathic murdering pedophiles to the highly religious who reformed in jail or anything in between. I don't think it would be a good idea to speculate on their motivations until we find out what they are, factually.

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    Re: Felons Voting Illegally May Have Put Franken Over the Top in Minnesota, Study Fin

    Norm Coleman just never gives up, does he.

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    Re: Felons Voting Illegally May Have Put Franken Over the Top in Minnesota, Study Fin

    I guess the really sad part is that the liberals are having to figure out the voting demographics of convicted felons to figure out if their guy got in legitimately or not.

    I wouldn't be defending this if I were a lib, I'd be hiding under the bed.

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    Re: Felons Voting Illegally May Have Put Franken Over the Top in Minnesota, Study Fin

    Quote Originally Posted by dontworrybehappy View Post
    I guess the really sad part is that the liberals are having to figure out the voting demographics of convicted felons to figure out if their guy got in legitimately or not.

    I wouldn't be defending this if I were a lib, I'd be hiding under the bed.
    And I find it really sad that conservatives are jumping on the utterly desperate straw that is the belief that 90% of felons are liberal.
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    Re: Felons Voting Illegally May Have Put Franken Over the Top in Minnesota, Study Fin

    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh_Akston View Post
    So are you more concerned with this specific race or with the voting fraud that was perpetrated on the people of Minnesota? Convicted felons being able to vote is a problem - no matter who they vote for. Franken won because of voting fraud. If you think that the felons would actually vote for the conservative candidate, you simply aren't thinking.

    Altouhg most conservatives would like to see Franken thrown out and replaced with the real winner of the election, this isn't going to happen. What I want to see is voter fraud prosecuted to the fullest extent - no matter who commits it. The integrity of an election must remain in tact and when things like this are allowed to happen, the people lose, not the candidates.
    Felons should not vote, but to say that Franken won because just about all the felons voted for him is a stretch. Would white collar criminals vote Democratic? I don't know about Minnesota, but here in Houston, just about all of the Enron folks who got convicted were staunch Republicans. And what about child molesters? They could break either way. Jon Matthews, a Republican talk show host here in Texas, was convicted of exposing himself to children. Drug users? OK, they are probably Democrats.... Oops, I missed Ted Haggard, who was Republican. And what about tax cheaters who got caught? You think that they are all Democrats too? LOL.

    The point that I am making here is that some talking head website is trying to tell us that all the felons vote for Democrats, when truth be told, they are most likely voting in fairly equal numbers for Democrats and Republicans. In playing music, I have run across plenty of felons over the years, and there seem to be just about as many Republicans as Democrats. But, I suppose, that whichever side loses an election is going to make **** up as they go along. That's true for either side.

    The cold hard fact is that, without looking at the actual ballots cast by those felons, you are not in any way able to deduce whether Franken won the election because of them. You can speculate all you want to, though. By the same token, I guess that Democrats can claim that Coleman almost stole the election because felons voted for him. Nobody knows except the blowhards, who think they know everything.
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    Re: Felons Voting Illegally May Have Put Franken Over the Top in Minnesota, Study Fin

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Well, well, well.....Demo's cheating to gain a Senate seat? Parish the thought!

    Now stonewalling to make sure that they can cheat in the future. Is anyone really surprised. Frankin is a joke! A mental midget! And a liar. Just like his boss Obama.



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    ... more sour grapes bull **** from the Party of No.

    In Minnesota, two things the clowns at "Minnesota Majority" apparently aren't informed enough to know about ELECTION LAW is that one, upon completing the terms of their conviction, felons regain their sufferage. Two, we have secret ballots and voting booths, so these fools have absolutely no way of knowing WHO VOTED FOR WHO. As a matter of fact, considering all of the sleazy crap "Norm" did, I'm betting the criminal element backs him. Birds of a feather.

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    Re: Felons Voting Illegally May Have Put Franken Over the Top in Minnesota, Study Fin

    Under the bed, really? Seems a bit over-the-top as a response, don't you think?

    By the way, good article here.

    Quote Originally Posted by dontworrybehappy View Post

    I wouldn't be defending this if I were a lib, I'd be hiding under the bed.

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