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    Re: Felons Voting Illegally May Have Put Franken Over the Top in Minnesota, Study Fin

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    That question was answered within the thread.
    I didn't see it. Care to link to it or is Ziggae not capable of answering the question I posed to him?

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    Re: Felons Voting Illegally May Have Put Franken Over the Top in Minnesota, Study Fin

    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh_Akston View Post
    Really? Can you show me where they lied with the headline?

    FOXNews.com - Felons Voting Illegally May Have Put Franken Over the Top in Minnesota, Study Finds

    "Felons Voting Illegally May Have Put Franken Over the Top in Minnesota, Study Finds"

    What part of that headline is a lie? Felons did vote illegally. And if 90 % of every felon that voted illegally voted for Franken, then it did give Franken the win. There is no way of knowing how every felon (who again, voted illegally) voted, but it is statistically possible. So again, what part of the headline was a lie?
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    IF they voted, IF there were enough, IF......
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    Re: Felons Voting Illegally May Have Put Franken Over the Top in Minnesota, Study Fin

    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh_Akston View Post
    Really? Can you show me where they lied with the headline?

    FOXNews.com - Felons Voting Illegally May Have Put Franken Over the Top in Minnesota, Study Finds

    "Felons Voting Illegally May Have Put Franken Over the Top in Minnesota, Study Finds"

    What part of that headline is a lie? Felons did vote illegally. And if 90 % of every felon that voted illegally voted for Franken, then it did give Franken the win. There is no way of knowing how every felon (who again, voted illegally) voted, but it is statistically possible. So again, what part of the headline was a lie?
    The headline should reflect what the study reports. If we reverse this, we get:

    Study finds felons voting illegally may have put Franken over the top in Minnesota.

    That's not true. The truth is that:

    Study finds felons have voted illegally in two counties in Minnesota and possibly in other counties and we need to fix this.

    That's what the study states. Nothing more, nothing less.

    "First and most obvious is the common headlines claiming “Report Finds that Felons Tipped Election to Franken” and variations on that theme. Minnesota Majority’s report does not make this assertion"--Minnesota Majority Minnesota Majority - Standing Together for Traditional Values (see their area under "Setting the Record Straight.)
    If you read the seven page report, http://www.minnesotamajority.org/Por...elonVoters.pdf
    it does NOT MENTION Franken or the senate race or results. Nothing else was proven. The study only states there were irregularities in the voting.

    Another truthful headline would be:

    Fox makes own interpretation of study and sensationalizes it to fool gullible conservatives who do not read reports that are available on the internet.

    Really, if you read the report and it involves a small number of felons who illegally voted due to some snafu in communicating through the state's system, would you care?
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    Re: Felons Voting Illegally May Have Put Franken Over the Top in Minnesota, Study Fin



    Hhmm…dem crook or repug crook?
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    Re: Felons Voting Illegally May Have Put Franken Over the Top in Minnesota, Study Fin

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    Hhmm…dem crook or repug crook?
    "My God, this I.C. Wiener fellow sure is getting a lot of votes!"
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    Re: Felons Voting Illegally May Have Put Franken Over the Top in Minnesota, Study Fin

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    "My God, this I.C. Wiener fellow sure is getting a lot of votes!"



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    Re: Felons Voting Illegally May Have Put Franken Over the Top in Minnesota, Study Fin

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    Re: Felons Voting Illegally May Have Put Franken Over the Top in Minnesota, Study Fin

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    If IF'S and AND'S were pots and pans, there'd be no work for tinkers' hands.

    IF they voted, IF there were enough, IF......
    I didn't see an "if" in the title of the article, did you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ziggae_6 View Post
    The headline should reflect what the study reports. If we reverse this, we get:

    Study finds felons voting illegally may have put Franken over the top in Minnesota.

    That's not true. The truth is that:

    Study finds felons have voted illegally in two counties in Minnesota and possibly in other counties and we need to fix this.

    That's what the study states. Nothing more, nothing less.



    If you read the seven page report, http://www.minnesotamajority.org/Por...elonVoters.pdf
    it does NOT MENTION Franken or the senate race or results. Nothing else was proven. The study only states there were irregularities in the voting.

    Another truthful headline would be:

    Fox makes own interpretation of study and sensationalizes it to fool gullible conservatives who do not read reports that are available on the internet.

    Really, if you read the report and it involves a small number of felons who illegally voted due to some snafu in communicating through the state's system, would you care?
    Ahh, I see now. It's just FOX News bashing and nothing more. There is nothing factually incorrect with the title of the article, and yet somehow it is a lie.

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    Re: Felons Voting Illegally May Have Put Franken Over the Top in Minnesota, Study Fin

    I can kinda see the point with the headline. It does create an impression that the facts of the story don't bear out. However, I don't think it is a FOX thing, I think it is a paid media thing. For profit media companies(ie almost all of them) want ratings, want sales, want page views. A headline like "Group Finds That A Few People Illegally Voted, Maybe" is not going to get that, but suggesting an election went the wrong way will.
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    Re: Felons Voting Illegally May Have Put Franken Over the Top in Minnesota, Study Fin

    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh_Akston View Post
    I didn't see an "if" in the title of the article, did you?


    Ahh, I see now. It's just FOX News bashing and nothing more. There is nothing factually incorrect with the title of the article, and yet somehow it is a lie.
    No you don't. The finding is what the authors found in the report. They set the dimensions of the results. The authors say that they have evidence that some felons voted illegally in two countiesl. The authors DO NOT FIND that this action had any effect on helping or hurting one candidate. Don't be dense. If their headline had simply been the election may have been effected by voting irregularities. That's NOT A LIE. They chose to include that the study stated that. THAT IS A LIE.

    Fox came up with the headline that it may have effected the election. This was NOT in the findings. Read the report. Read the response by the people who did the report. Its a lie and an exaggeration by Fox to claim that the report FOUND evidence that it pushed Franken to the victory. It just as easily could have made the results closer than they should have been. However, that is not the FINDING of the report either. Saying that the report FOUND this possibility is a LIE.

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