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    Re: Felons Voting Illegally May Have Put Franken Over the Top in Minnesota, Study Fin

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    Hopefully after the disaster of his 8 years, as a country, we've learned our lesson.
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    Re: Felons Voting Illegally May Have Put Franken Over the Top in Minnesota, Study Fin

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    Sigh. Still holding onto that falsehood. You lost. Let it go.
    Ditto for Franken!
    And yes, pining over Bush/Gore is silly, and doubly so after Bush's terms are already over. It's not like we can get a do-over.
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    Re: Felons Voting Illegally May Have Put Franken Over the Top in Minnesota, Study Fin

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    Sir, you seem to be having difficulty discerning the difference between making a claim that would be difficult to substantiate, i.e. "Barry's crack dealer was white", and one that could easily be ascertained by a short tiptoe over to Google.
    Now Beady...are you STILL on about that? After Daisy Duke confirmed the fact that Obama ADMITTED to the drug use I asked you for clarification...what exactly are you on about? Is it whether or not Obama is an admitted drug user or the shock that his dealer was white?

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    Re: Felons Voting Illegally May Have Put Franken Over the Top in Minnesota, Study Fin

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Ditto for Franken!
    And yes, pining over Bush/Gore is silly, and doubly so after Bush's terms are already over. It's not like we can get a do-over.
    You're right. Al Franken was certified and that is as official as it can get. I won't say anything other than the interest in keeping future elections honest and for either side within the law, if felons cannot vote legally by state law then they cannot vote, I don't know where the distribution would have fallen politically and don't care. In future elections I want all laws upheld and honored as much as we can possibly accomplish.
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    Re: Felons Voting Illegally May Have Put Franken Over the Top in Minnesota, Study Fin

    The 'study' by the conservative group is boooooogus:

    Reality much different

    In reality, that has not been proven. And the actual number of felons who voted illegally will likely be much lower based on reviews from prosecutors who received Minnesota Majority's lists in the form of spread sheets in February.

    "We received about 480 names from Minnesota Majority," Ramsey County's lead prosecutor Phil Carruthers told KARE Wednesday, "About 270 were clearly inaccurate and were rejected right from the get-go."

    He said a quick review revealed the names and birthdates didn't match, or that the felons in question were no longer barred from voting.

    "They were ruled out usually because they had the wrong identity of a person," Carruthers explained, "Or because the person no longer was on probation, and thus their civil rights had been restored."

    There are 30 felons on the group's list that have been charged with election violations in Ramsey County. But prosecutors had already received those names from the county elections office and the Secretary of State's office, according to Carruthers.

    "We've charged about 30 cases so far," he said, "About half of them were people who were felons who just registered but did not actually vote. Election workers flagged those names before they could vote, but it's still a felony for a felon to register."

    Those who are being charged with two felonies are felons who registered at the polling place on election day and voted, leaving no time for a cross-check with lists of convicts still on probation

    "We're going to continue to investigate 180 other complaints but we're not talking about a huge number of actual cases. And of that 30 about half of them were registration only, they didn't actually vote."
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    Re: Felons Voting Illegally May Have Put Franken Over the Top in Minnesota, Study Fin

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    You're right. Al Franken was certified and that is as official as it can get. I won't say anything other than the interest in keeping future elections honest and for either side within the law, if felons cannot vote legally by state law then they cannot vote, I don't know where the distribution would have fallen politically and don't care. In future elections I want all laws upheld and honored as much as we can possibly accomplish.
    Minnesota law is that once a felon has served their time, they can vote legally. There are questions in all this, but investigating is at worst harmless, at best would lead to less possible voter fraud in the future, so I so investigate.
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    Re: Felons Voting Illegally May Have Put Franken Over the Top in Minnesota, Study Fin

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Minnesota law is that once a felon has served their time, they can vote legally. There are questions in all this, but investigating is at worst harmless, at best would lead to less possible voter fraud in the future, so I so investigate.
    Okay, getting somewhere. 'How many were legit, what's the illegit numbers, and what does it all mean? But it's exactly about getting to the most honest system humanly possible.
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    Re: Felons Voting Illegally May Have Put Franken Over the Top in Minnesota, Study Fin

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    You're right. Al Franken was certified and that is as official as it can get. I won't say anything other than the interest in keeping future elections honest and for either side within the law, if felons cannot vote legally by state law then they cannot vote, I don't know where the distribution would have fallen politically and don't care. In future elections I want all laws upheld and honored as much as we can possibly accomplish.
    And that's an honest consideration. However, Minnesota Majority admits in their report how difficult this is. You can't prevent someone from voting simply because they have been accused of a felony. A person may get convicted of a lesser charge that is not a felony. So it appears that more investigation has to take place. Otherwise if this is a simple procedure, why did MM only concentrate on two counties and why was there only a handful of names that were prosecured? MM reported that the two counties had difference responses. The one county that seemed enthusiastic about it also wanted money in order to hire more people for their department so they could do more investigations. The answer may lie in the state of Minnesota's computer system that was effect this. So what do you actually propose to do to change the current setup? You would think that would be part of an objective report by someone studying this setup. However, I find no real suggestions to change the current setup.

    The people most responsible for helping enforce the rules are elected and thus controlled by the state they are in. Minnesota selects their representation. Unless you live in Minnesota, you lack jurisdiction in telling them what to do. To me that makes sense because we lack way too much information about how Minnesota's laws and systems are set up.

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    Here's another write up regarding the report


    First and most obvious is the common headlines claiming “Report Finds that Felons Tipped Election to Franken” and variations on that theme. Minnesota Majority’s report does not make this assertion. We acknowledge that it’s a possibility, but besides not being conclusively provable, that isn’t the point of the report. Minnesota Majority isn’t interested in undoing the 2008 election. That’s been decided, and right or wrong, it’s done. Our objective is exposing problems with the past election to prevent their recurrence in the 2010 election coming up in November.


    The pundits can analyze our data any way they want but Minnesota Majority’s report does not say Senator Franken was elected by felons. It simply demonstrates that there is strong evidence of a significant number of ineligible felons voting in 2008 and calls on officials to investigate.

    Press, commentators and even county prosecutors have been playing fast and loose with the numbers provided in Minnesota Majority’s report. Minnesota Majority generated a computerized list of names of possible ineligible felon voters by comparing to publicly available databases. A list of felons indicated to be ineligible to vote by the dates provided in the file from the Bureau of Criminal Apprehension and the secretary of state’s 2008 voter history file. The matched file contained 2,803 names matched exactly on first, middle and last names and year of birth.

    The frequently reported figure of 341 suspected fraudulent voters is often used out of context and incorrectly in reporting. Minnesota Majority examined about 900 Hennepin and Ramsey County records in greater detail, locating court documents to verify the accuracy of the computerized match.
    Oh yeah. In other words, Fox News lies with the headline. What a surprise.

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    Re: Felons Voting Illegally May Have Put Franken Over the Top in Minnesota, Study Fin

    Quote Originally Posted by Ziggae_6 View Post
    Oh yeah. In other words, Fox News lies with the headline. What a surprise.
    Really? Can you show me where they lied with the headline?

    FOXNews.com - Felons Voting Illegally May Have Put Franken Over the Top in Minnesota, Study Finds

    "Felons Voting Illegally May Have Put Franken Over the Top in Minnesota, Study Finds"

    What part of that headline is a lie? Felons did vote illegally. And if 90 % of every felon that voted illegally voted for Franken, then it did give Franken the win. There is no way of knowing how every felon (who again, voted illegally) voted, but it is statistically possible. So again, what part of the headline was a lie?

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    Re: Felons Voting Illegally May Have Put Franken Over the Top in Minnesota, Study Fin

    That question was answered within the thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh_Akston View Post
    Really? Can you show me where they lied with the headline?

    FOXNews.com - Felons Voting Illegally May Have Put Franken Over the Top in Minnesota, Study Finds

    "Felons Voting Illegally May Have Put Franken Over the Top in Minnesota, Study Finds"

    What part of that headline is a lie? Felons did vote illegally. And if 90 % of every felon that voted illegally voted for Franken, then it did give Franken the win. There is no way of knowing how every felon (who again, voted illegally) voted, but it is statistically possible. So again, what part of the headline was a lie?

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