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You have an excellent point -- except that whenever a Christian wants to dictate morality to someone else, like on the subject of homosexuality, they point to the Old Testament.

Well at least they don’t cut your head off if you don’t agree with them or kill homosexuals like in Islam. Moreover, Christianity doesn’t dictate morality, we have a government that adheres to the rule of law although the liberals are doing their best to undermine and erode them.

It's not honest to point to the Old Testament when it supports your argument, and then say "well, Jesus said" when it doesn't.

And it is not honest for you to make up asinine strawman arguments because I have never did what you assert. Moreover, I’m not even a Christian since I’m agnostic.

Yes, in large part because there was a hierarchical structure to resist, whereas Islam has none. Islam is so localized that it can't and won't happen in the same way.

The reality is the great hope of delusional wishful thinkers is that Islam will reform itself just in the nick of time to rescue the world. However, it is impossible for Islam to ever be reformed.

Actually, yes you can, since so many Muslims are peaceful, and in many parts of the world are as secular as their infadel neighbors.

Well I guess you can morally equate Islam with Christianity, however, it means that you are more than just a few cards short of a full deck.

Furthermore, most of the jihad that takes place in the world today to remove all obstacles for the eventual imposition of Sharia takes place strictly through peaceful non-violent means. Hence, just because Muslims appear to be peaceful doesn’t mean they are not jihadists.

Not to mention that Islam isn’t a suicide pact. Hence, if Muslims living in the West suddenly all became violent, they would all be killed in self-defense. I mean does a member of the CIA when he infiltrates another country act like a CIA agent or does he try to blend in and not to be noticed. Hence, why would you automatically assume that Muslim infiltrators would be stupid enough to give away the game?

Finally, any Muslim that does not adhere to Sharia, the will of Allah, isn’t a Muslim. Now put that in context with secular Muslims. In case you can’t figure it out, it means they aren’t true Muslims and only maintain their Muslim identities because they have the fear of the punishment for apostasy hanging over their heads.
 
The First Amendment also doesn't give us the authority to prosecute the peaceful Muslims in the US for the offenses of Muslims committed in other parts of the world.

Why would we want to prosecute Muslims that haven't broken any laws? However, all Muslim immigration should be banned and reversed. Indeed, during the Cold War we didn't allow millions of communists immigrate and infiltrate our country because that would have been suicidal. Hence, we shouldn't allow millions of Muslims immigrate and infiltrate our country today because that is likewise suicidal.
 
Most Muslims in the US were born in the US.
 
Why would we want to prosecute Muslims that haven't broken any laws? However, all Muslim immigration should be banned and reversed. Indeed, during the Cold War we didn't allow millions of communists immigrate and infiltrate our country because that would have been suicidal. Hence, we shouldn't allow millions of Muslims immigrate and infiltrate our country today because that is likewise suicidal.

You can't kick out someone who legally immigrated to this country just because of their religion.
 
Well then, point me to the unified Islamic church and I'll concede your point.

There may be only one Koran, but there is no one authority for interpreting it telling the masses to kill infadels. That's why so many Muslims live peaceful lives without having a crisis of faith over it.

Your post is so ridiculous and absurd that I almost didn’t even respond to it. Nevertheless, ijtihad in Islam has been locked for well over a thousand years. Go look up ijtihad and find out what it is all about.

No, certain wackos seek to replace the Constitution with the Koran.

Again, a Muslim who doesn’t believe that society shouldn’t be ordered the way that Allah says it should be ordered for all intents and purposes isn’t a Muslim.

That doesn't give us leave to persecute all Muslims.

Who said anything about persecuting Muslims? Nevertheless, all non-Muslims living in Muslim countries are systematically persecuted against and often violently oppressed without exception.
 
Christianity at it's most extreme is just as disgusting as Islam as it's most extreme. They can also both be moderate, it depends on how passionate you are about your religion.
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Right. There have been a grand total of 9 abortion clinic bombings in the history of the world perpetrated by people who aren’t even Christians because they are misguided mentally ill individuals. In addition, each abortion clinic bombings was loudly denounced and condemned by Christians. Meanwhile, since 9/11 there have been almost 16,000 terrorist attacks around the world perpetrated by Muslims always going out of their way to cite the specific Koranic verses and ahadith that justify their terrorist attacks, and as we have seen with Hezbollah and Hamas, Muslims proudly support them. Yeah…the two religions are about as morally equal as water and fire. But go ahead and delude yourself.

Moreover, in Christianity an adherent can choose how passionate he or she is or isn’t about his religion. However, in Islam not being passionate can get you killed for murtaad (apostasy).
 
Who said anything about persecuting Muslims? Nevertheless, all non-Muslims living in Muslim countries are systematically persecuted against and often violently oppressed without exception.
Yes, we should follow the 3rd world dictatorships and look to them, emulating their domestic policies by persecuting minorities, is that what you're suggesting?
 
You still can't ignore the Old Testament.

The issue isn’t the Old Testament or even Christianity because it isn’t Christians waging jihad both hot and cold all around the world. It’s Muslims. Hence, I see your game. You are using the violence perpetrated by Muslims in the name of Islam around the world to attempt to vilify and condemn Christianity, and excuse me but that is more than just a little bigoted.
 
Right. There have been a grand total of 9 abortion clinic bombings in the history of the world perpetrated by people who aren’t even Christians because they are misguided mentally ill individuals. In addition, each abortion clinic bombings was loudly denounced and condemned by Christians. Meanwhile, since 9/11 there have been almost 16,000 terrorist attacks around the world perpetrated by Muslims always going out of their way to cite the specific Koranic verses and ahadith that justify their terrorist attacks, and as we have seen with Hezbollah and Hamas, Muslims proudly support them. Yeah…the two religions are about as morally equal as water and fire. But go ahead and delude yourself.

Moreover, in Christianity an adherent can choose how passionate he or she is or isn’t about his religion. However, in Islam not being passionate can get you killed for murtaad (apostasy).

Lets count
The Crusades
The Salem Witch Trials
The whole Dark Ages
Many gay bashing preformed by Christians
and thats just off the top of my head.
Not picking on Christianity, but every religion has its fair share of bloodshed done by people in the name of its God.
Just because a set of extremist misinterpret their own holy book doesn't mean you should generalize all it's followers. Oh and I find it funny that you get to determine how good a muslim someone is.
 
You can't kick out someone who legally immigrated to this country just because of their religion.

However, Islam isn’t just a religion it is also a very radical form of totalitarianism that seeks world domination.
 
However, Islam isn’t just a religion it is also a very radical form of totalitarianism that seeks world domination.

Oh you mean like the Jews being the "chosen people"? Do you really believe what you posted?
 
You still can't ignore the Old Testament.

I'll give you your debate over applicability of Old Testament law, but it is a very small group that believes it is still applicable to Jews, let alone Christians. The overwhelming majority of Christian churches, for centuries, have said that the New Testament law supercedes the Old Testament. A new covenant.
 
I'll give you your debate over applicability of Old Testament law, but it is a very small group that believes it is still applicable to Jews, let alone Christians. The overwhelming majority of Christian churches, for centuries, have said that the New Testament law supercedes the Old Testament. A new covenant.

This should be the case, but it makes me angry that so many people quote Leviticus in regards to homosexuality.
 
Lets count
The Crusades
The Salem Witch Trials
The whole Dark Ages
Many gay bashing preformed by Christians
and thats just off the top of my head.
Not picking on Christianity, but every religion has its fair share of bloodshed done by people in the name of its God.
Just because a set of extremist misinterpret their own holy book doesn't mean you should generalize all it's followers. Oh and I find it funny that you get to determine how good a muslim someone is.

Attempting to compare the Old Testament with the Quran, there is a problem - the New Testament.
Again, is there any instance of a commandment from God/Jesus to believers to commit violent acts, including killing, in the New Testament. Please show me
 
This should be the case, but it makes me angry that so many people quote Leviticus in regards to homosexuality.

You can omit the laws given in Leviticus and Deuteronomy regarding homosexuality, incest, etc.
 
Attempting to compare the Old Testament with the Quran, there is a problem - the New Testament.
Again, is there any instance of a commandment from God/Jesus to believers to commit violent acts, including killing, in the New Testament. Please show me

All of these acts were done after the New Testament was written.
 
Yes, we should follow the 3rd world dictatorships and look to them, emulating their domestic policies by persecuting minorities, is that what you're suggesting?

You bitch about us being intolerant of a religion that is the sheer definition of intolerance. If that makes me intolerant, then I'm proud of it. We should be intolerant of them?? Any religion that kills people over a ****ing drawing (among other atrocities, want a list?) should not be tolerated.

Take the hint. You are so far out of your lane it isn't funny. If I were you, I'd seriously think about doing a lot of reading and no posting
 
Lets count
The Crusades

Uhm…the Crusades not only happened before the reformation and enlightenment but also were a long delayed response to almost 500 years of jihad in which over half of Christendom had been conquered by Islam. Some of you people must have skipped history altogether. It boggles my mind.

The Salem Witch Trials
The whole Dark Ages
Many gay bashing preformed by Christians

With all due respect, what does any of that have to do with the fact that Muslims are waging jihad, both hot and cold, all around the world? Not a damn thing. It is just a feeble excuse for you to use to attack Christianity in response to Muslim jihad. Give me a break!

Not picking on Christianity,

With all due respect, that is exactly what you are doing. You are using the Muslim jihad and threat to the freedom of the world, to attempt to justify attacking and vilifying Christianity and it couldn’t be more obvious. The fact of the matter is Christianity has nothing to do with the jihad that threatens our freedom, so stop using the problem of Islam to vilify and demonize Christianity. Christianity isn't the problem. Islam is.

Just because a set of extremist misinterpret their own holy book doesn't mean you should generalize all it's followers.

Don’t be ridiculous. No one is generalizing except you when you vilify and demonize Christianity in response to Islamic violence as if it is relevant. Nonetheless, the fact of the matter is the jihad ideology, which calls for the subjugation of all unbelievers via the imposition of Sharia, couldn’t be any more mainstream in Islam as all sects and divisions within Islam and every school of Islamic jurisprudence teaches and preaches it.

Oh and I find it funny that you get to determine how good a muslim someone is.

I don’t determine how good a Muslim is and you don’t have to be a rocket scientist to figure it out. Islam is a religion of submission whereby all Muslims must submit to the will of Allah, i.e., Sharia, the divine will of Allah. Hence, a person either submits to the will of Allah and at the same time becomes Allah’s slave or otherwise he doesn’t. However, if he doesn’t, because in Islam the freedom of conscience is forbidden under the penalty of death, it means such a person in effect isn’t a Muslim and must be put to death, as in stark contrast to faith based religions, a Muslim can’t freely leave his religion or even question the strictures of Islam.

Indeed, you are extremely naïve and have a lot to learn.
 
Look inside every Muslim country in the world and tell me what you see?

Dictators oppressing their people. I don't see how this relates to Muslims as a whole. Are we to assume that all Chinese people are authoritarian. Are all Blacks inferior because most African governments have been so poorly run for the past 50 years?
 
Lets count

The Salem Witch Trials.

Do Christians still burn people at the stake? No. Do Muslims still kill people for apostasy, blasphemy, being raped, alledgedly insulting the Koran, being homos, listening to music, watching the World Cup, etc. because its against Islam? Yes.
 
Dictators oppressing their people. I don't see how this relates to Muslims as a whole.

Let me help you out. What you are seeing in every Islamic country since you are incapable of figuring it out is Sharia law in action. In case you don’t know it, Sharia law is what you submit to when you become a Muslim, as it is the will of Allah. Indeed, Sharia is a very harsh totalitarian legal system that institutionalizes discrimination against females and non-Muslims and that also incorporates a system of draconian punishments such as stonings, amputations, and beheadings. Which is why Muslim females and non-Muslims are always systematically persecuted and often violently oppressed in every Muslim country in the world without exception, and, by the way, it is also the same barbaric system of totalitarianism Muslims fully intend on imposing upon every unbeliever in the world.

I hate to rain on your clueless parade, sure Islam is a religion, but in stark contrast to faith based religions, Islam is a religion of submission that forbids the freedom of speech under the pain of death, but that’s not all that Islam is, it is also a very radical form of totalitarianism that seeks world domination. In other words, Islam is a totalitarian theo-political ideology whose main goal is the subjugation of all unbelievers, all religions, and all governments under a harsh totalitarian legal system called Sharia. Hence, Islam is not protected under the first amendment of the constitution or any other amendment for that matter, as the constitution is not a suicide pact.

Moreover, if you look around the world wherever mass Muslim immigration has occurred you will see the vast overwhelming majority of Muslims refusing to assimilate and integrate and instead forming Muslim no-go zones ruled by Sharia in direct contravention to the laws of the states in which they reside. Then once the population of Muslims becomes large enough, the Muslims start making more and more demands, at the same time as time goes by they begin using their multiple wives as baby factories so that in a couple of generations they can out breed the unbelievers. The ultimate goal, of course, is to eventually subvert our democracies so that they can impose Sharia and render all unbelievers into dhimmitude, a harsh system of subjugation ultimately designed to convert dhimmis to Islam.

In fact, this is a stealth form of deceptive jihad known as demographic conquest. Indeed, Libya’s Gaddafi has said that Islam doesn’t need terrorists anymore since in a few years Europe will one day soon be a Muslim continent.
 
Look inside every Muslim country in the world and tell me what you see?

A whole bunch of crap no one wants? I definately don't see world domination haven't they all pretty much stayed in the same spot for the past thousands of years?
 
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