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Landmark commission hearing may determine future of ground zero mosque

You attempting to use Saudi Arabia is just amusing.
Considering it is unique in its harshness of nature as it has the two holy cities in its country and it is just crazy.
And two, it is Arabs speaking who make up 15% of the Muslim population.

And well done at ignoring the fact there are Churches in Muslim countries.

Read my question over and over, again
Are there any problems building a Christian Cathedral or a Jewish Synagogue in a Muslim nation?

Building is the key word

Wow, reading comprehension must not be your forte!
 
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I don't accept that but you can believe that if you want. I don't mind.
It's not like it is happening now anyway.

What don't you accept, that Saladin and Akbar were tolerant or that the conflict between Islam and Christianity started with Islamic aggression in the 7th century?
 
In some countries, yes. In others, no.

You could have figured that out yourself if you just googled :roll:
 
who cares if you can build a church in Saudi Arabia or not...that doesn't change the fact that these Muslims trying to open of the mosque are protected by freedom of religion.
 
If they own the property, please tell me how on Earth the U.S. can stop them from building a Mosque without violating religious freedom?
 
just grasping at straws, odds are they are not any zoning laws prohibition churches and mosques. Obviously if there were any zoning laws the Cordoba initiative wouldn't have bothered with that location in the first place.
 
just grasping at straws, odds are they are not any zoning laws prohibition churches and mosques. Obviously if there were any zoning laws the Cordoba initiative wouldn't have bothered with that location in the first place.

But you don't know, do you, and neither do I. I know many instances in which people or groups acquired property either ignorant of what they can do there or buying it in the false hope that because their cause is right and just that they would be able to get an exception.
 
But you don't know, do you, and neither do I. I know many instances in which people or groups acquired property either ignorant of what they can do there or buying it in the false hope that because their cause is right and just that they would be able to get an exception.

Zoning laws aren't the issue here, there is no zoning law that would prohibit a mosque.

ABC News said:
Members of the landmarks commission are appointed by Mayor Michael Bloomberg , who has supported the project. "Anybody wants to build a house of worship in this city, we'd love to do it," Bloomberg told reporters last week. "They have to comply with the zoning laws. In this case, I think the community board's already been consulted and they overwhelmingly like the idea."
In New York, Ground Zero Mosque Plan Faces New Obstacle - ABC News
 
Zoning laws???

Do you think Maine is right to create zoning laws specifically to prohibit big box stores?
How about zoning laws to prohibit Mexican families over the size of 5?

They bought the land and they met the zoning laws. It is their right to build what they please as it conforms to the laws. We may not agree with it, but this isn't Saudi Arabia or Iran. Nor it is Communist Russia. We have freedom of religion and private property laws.
 
Not FAIL considering most were Deists.




No, it was founded by Deists for the most part with values that most religions share. Also, with a divorce rate of 50%, how many of those are actually ACTING like Christians?

Ultimate FAIL on your part.

If you want a theocracy, go to Iran


Wrong! The so called "Deists" tag was promoted by atheists that will not accept that they live in a Christian nation. Very intolerant people these atheists....


j-mac
 
Do you think Maine is right to create zoning laws specifically to prohibit big box stores?
How about zoning laws to prohibit Mexican families over the size of 5?

They bought the land and they met the zoning laws. It is their right to build what they please as it conforms to the laws. We may not agree with it, but this isn't Saudi Arabia or Iran. Nor it is Communist Russia. We have freedom of religion and private property laws.


Sorry, you are wrong too. Zoning laws and commissions do exist, and they have the final say on what can be built where.


j-mac
 
Wrong! The so called "Deists" tag was promoted by atheists that will not accept that they live in a Christian nation. Very intolerant people these atheists....


j-mac

Lol so now it's a big atheist conspiracy that the founding fathers were deists?

Sorry the truth hurts you and your agenda soo much but yes, most of the founding fathers were deists.

We do not live in a theocracy either, but I guess to you that is just a big atheist conspiracy too.
 
Sorry, you are wrong too. Zoning laws and commissions do exist, and they have the final say on what can be built where.

Glad to hear how much you support the final say of zoning laws and commissions. jmac. Considering that the mosque in question violates no zoning laws and was approved by the commission, the only logical conclusion is that you support the building of this mosque. QED
 
Glad to hear how much you support the final say of zoning laws and commissions. jmac. Considering that the mosque in question violates no zoning laws and was approved by the commission, the only logical conclusion is that you support the building of this mosque. QED


Well, you assume far too much Guy. I stated fact, that is all. People in here seem to think that just because you buy a piece of land you can do whatever you want with it, that simply isn't true.

And, although politicians in an overwhelmingly blue of the bluest order type city have a corrupt nature, and let their touchy, felly nature, in wanting everyone to like us regardless of what they stand for is beside the point. You make a large error here in your totally disingenuous manner, trying to say that I support this abomination.

I don't!


j-mac
 
Well, you assume far too much Guy. I stated fact, that is all. People in here seem to think that just because you buy a piece of land you can do whatever you want with it, that simply isn't true.

And, although politicians in an overwhelmingly blue of the bluest order type city have a corrupt nature, and let their touchy, felly nature, in wanting everyone to like us regardless of what they stand for is beside the point. You make a large error here in your totally disingenuous manner, trying to say that I support this abomination.

I don't!

The only thing disingenuous in our exchange so far is your application of your own logic. I did not say that you support the mosque, just that based on what you said in that previous post your support for the mosque is what you are logically committed to. Far be it from me to accuse you of actually applying your own logic to facts. I would never falsely accuse somebody of behaving so rationally.

You said: "Zoning laws and commissions do exist, and they have the final say on what can be built where." Well, the zoning laws aren't being violated and the commission had their say, and their say was to approve the mosque. According to you, yourself, j-mac, that commission's say is final. On what basis do you oppose the mosque then, when, by your own logic, you have no basis to oppose it?
 
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Turning the other cheek for what? Are these Muslims the ones that blew up the trade center? What exactly are we turning the other cheek for allowing these AMERICAN Muslims to build a religious building like the Christians and other religions do?

USA Today has commentary on how there is a question of where the money to build the mosque is coming from. Apparently, (unconfirmed), the Iamn (sic) will not reveal his sources. Some beleive it is coming from the same people who finaced Al Queda.
 
There were also Muslims that died in the trade center on 9/11. I guess you don't think they matter much do you? I guess they don't deserve anything because they were filthy Muslims in the eyes of some on this board.

How pathetic that some feel so self-centered to declare ground zero sacred and feel the need to take away from Muslims that died as well.

Really, in your eyes Ground Zero is not sacred ground. Wow. Hey if we want to honor the "INNOCENT" Muslims that died as a result of Muslim Extremist, then give them a plaque and state specifically on the plaque it is for them, not the whole nation of Islam.

Muslims intolerance to hate and the acts of the fundamentalist Muslims can be a reason that these acts of violence began and continue. Don't forget the pictures of the Palestinian (sic) in a Pittsburgh Steeler shirt dance in the street on 9-11, and during other acts of terrorism Terror in the USA - The Palestinians Celebrate! and, no they were not faked snopes.com: Palestinians Dancing in the Street

Indiffence to radicalism is just as bad as tolerance. Many of the Jewish faith do not excuse forgive non-Nazi Germans, in WW II, who knew of the Holacaust and did nothing. I feel the same way towards Muslims that were indifferent to radicalism that lead to the action of Al Queda.
 
Really, in your eyes Ground Zero is not sacred ground. Wow. Hey if we want to honor the "INNOCENT" Muslims that died as a result of Muslim Extremist, then give them a plaque and state specifically on the plaque it is for them, not the whole nation of Islam.

Or they can do what they are planning and build the Mosque. But seeing as how you are anti-Muslim, you would rather trash the constitution and discriminate solely against Muslims. How very intolerant of you.

Muslims intolerance to hate and the acts of the fundamentalist Muslims can be a reason that these acts of violence began and continue. Don't forget the pictures of the Palestinian (sic) in a Pittsburgh Steeler shirt dance in the street on 9-11, and during other acts of terrorism Terror in the USA - The Palestinians Celebrate! and, no they were not faked snopes.com: Palestinians Dancing in the Street

This Mosque is not being built by Palestinians last I checked, it was being built by Americans. So what does Palestinians have to do with American Muslims?

Indiffence to radicalism is just as bad as tolerance. Many of the Jewish faith do not excuse forgive non-Nazi Germans, in WW II, who knew of the Holacaust and did nothing. I feel the same way towards Muslims that were indifferent to radicalism that lead to the action of Al Queda.

So you blame American Muslims for 9/11 and Al-Qaeda? Wow what a stretch.
 
Well, you assume far too much Guy. I stated fact, that is all. People in here seem to think that just because you buy a piece of land you can do whatever you want with it, that simply isn't true.

And, although politicians in an overwhelmingly blue of the bluest order type city have a corrupt nature, and let their touchy, felly nature, in wanting everyone to like us regardless of what they stand for is beside the point. You make a large error here in your totally disingenuous manner, trying to say that I support this abomination.

I don't!


j-mac

There exists no logical reason to try to stop it from being built though, not in this country.
 
There exists no logical reason to try to stop it from being built though, not in this country.


I disagree. how about the people don't want it there! Don't they have any say?


j-mac
 
I disagree. how about the people don't want it there! Don't they have any say?


j-mac

no, because they don't own the property. I spoke with a Muslim man from Turkey last night and it was a very eye opening experience. He assured me that most Muslims hate those nuts who go around killing people as much as we do.

We see a person on TV preaching to kids that the Earth is 6,000 years old. We just say "oh it's one of those fundamentalist Christians, what a bunch of lunatics!"

We see on the news a man killed 10 people with a car bomb in Iraq. We say "Damn Muslims, they are all out to kill us and our way of life!"

Fundamentalist Muslims are the ones killing people, this group doesn't represent Islam but some of you fail to realize that.
 
I disagree. how about the people don't want it there! Don't they have any say?

No, they don't have a say. You don't get to discriminate just because you hate Muslims. It's funny how intolerant some so called Christians are. Not very Christian in the least.
 
No, they don't have a say. You don't get to discriminate just because you hate Muslims. It's funny how intolerant some so called Christians are. Not very Christian in the least.

that's what happens when you think your invisible man is the real invisible man and the other invisible man is just an invisible phony!
 
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