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Landmark commission hearing may determine future of ground zero mosque

Laila said:
Do you look in the mirror when you lie to yourself?
Christianity is no more innocent than Islam.
Quit acting like Christianity is some sort of peaceful religion with a history that has never included spilling blood or oppression.
I mean, really.
If I can acknowledge my religions past wars, the least you can do is not lie.

And your lack of knowledge on Islam shines through once again.
Being a Muslim is not passed down through blood. We're not Jews you know.
You have to take the shahada to be a Muslim, the declaration of faith and one cannot be forced into Islam.

LT pick up a Qu'ran and read:
Sura Al-Kafiroon

I worship not that which ye worship,
Nor will ye worship that which I worship.
And I will not worship that which ye have been wont to worship,
Nor will ye worship that which I worship.
To you be your Way, and to me mine.


Any more lies you wish to spread?
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Christianity had a period of somewhat violent expansion in Europe, as well as some internal sectarian scuffles, but here lies a very crucial part....In those days, most of the population were dumbasses (illiterate and incapable of reading the Bible themselves) so, they had to depend on priests, and later ministers, to read and interpret the Bible for them. However, as literacy spread it was impossible to tell people the "word of God", when it contradicted what they could read for themselves. The conning was over and Christianity returned to its core.

Christianity, at its roots, is non-violent. A Christian is commanded to look at Jesus as the best example. A Muslim on the other hand, has *Mohammed* as his ideal...*shrugs :roll:
 
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Christianity is as capable of violence and indeed has shown it in its very very bloody history.
Accept reality.

This delusion that somehow Christianity is peaceful is just oh so amusing.
 
Laila said:
Christianity is as capable of violence and indeed has shown it in its very very bloody history.
Accept reality.

This delusion that somehow Christianity is peaceful is just oh so amusing.
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The discussion here is Islam...not Christianity or any other religion. Get it through your Muslim head. Christianity is not the same as Islam. Its history is different. European cultures are different than those of the ME. Attempting to predict Muslim behavior by historic Christian actions is beyond retarded. Its like trying to predict the actions or reactions of birds by looking at butterflies. They both have wings, right?
 
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What? You can't handle me picking on Christianity's flaws?
It is as violent a religion as Islam. Must be hard to swallow that very bitter pill.

Non violent indeed :lol:
Oh and Muslims have Jesus too
We have more than one Prophet you know. Well, I doubt you know.
You must copy and paste from Jihadwatch
 
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Laila said:
:lamo

What? You can't handle me picking on Christianity's flaws?
It is as violent a religion as Islam. Must be hard to swallow that very bitter pill.

Non violent indeed :lol:
Oh and Muslims have Jesus too
We have more than one Prophet you know. Well, I doubt you know.
You must copy and paste from Jihadwatch
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If you want to start another thread discussing Christian history, etc., do it. But leave it out of this one because IT IS NOT GERMANE and simply reflects your own atheistic attempts to lump all religions in one basket.
 
Come on guys, this isn't about Islam vs. Christianity, which is what alot of threads are turning into.

The issue at hand is the construction of this community centre with a mosque inside.

The law allows them to build this place without hindrance. Emotions of people says they shouldn't. Public opinion says they shouldn't.

There's no winning, there will be no compromise here.
 
"atheistic attempts" lol

I just reject your delusion and picture that Islam is all blood and violence and Christianity is all light and peace.


But sure if you want to continue with me putting you down on your pathetically limited knowledge of Islam. Let's continue.
What misinformation and lie do you want to spread now?
 
Jetboogieman said:
Come on guys, this isn't about Islam vs. Christianity, which is what alot of threads are turning into.

The issue at hand is the construction of this community centre with a mosque inside.

The law allows them to build this place without hindrance. Emotions of people says they shouldn't. Public opinion says they shouldn't.

There's no winning, there will be no compromise here.
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I have no issue with the Mosque as long as it goes through the proper building authorities.

If the planning is delayed or halted because of peoples emotive reaction, I think they should be allocated another piece of land by NY to build the Mosque.
 
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Didn't, the Swiss voters overwhelmingly approve a constitutional ban on minarets last year or something?
 
Jetboogieman said:
Come on guys, this isn't about Islam vs. Christianity, which is what alot of threads are turning into.

The issue at hand is the construction of this community centre with a mosque inside.

The law allows them to build this place without hindrance. Emotions of people says they shouldn't. Public opinion says they shouldn't.

There's no winning, there will be no compromise here.
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Tell me, Mister Jetboogieman... Are there any problems building a Christian Cathedral or a Jewish Synagogue in a Muslim nation? When they say no problem, then I won't be able to object to Mosques. When Christian missionaries have free access to preach and proselytize, and converts aren't slaughtered, then I'll consider allowing freedom of religion to include Islam.
 
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ric27 said:
Tell me, Mister Jetboogieman... Are there any problems building a Christian Cathedral or a Jewish Synagogue in a Muslim nation? When they say no problem, then I won't be able to object to Mosques. When Christian missionaries have free access to preach and proselytize, and converts aren't slaughtered, then I'll consider allowing freedom of religion to include Islam.
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There are many Churches and Synagogues in Muslim countries.
Some of the oldest in the world are in *shock horror* Muslim countries
 
BCR said:
Please take me to the woodshed on a message board...lol, Islam is more radical than Christianity..Yes I'll admit that. Still Christianity was just as bad as Islam a few hundred years ago, killing people who would not convert and going on Crusades. I'm just saying Christianity isn't all bells and whistles. It's fairly radical itself and is filled with many horrific stories of rape and slaughter. You guys choose to ignore those verses but that doesn't change the fact they are there.

The funny thing is both religions are extremely improbable to be true but you guys continue to argue over who is right and what not. My God has a bigger penis than yours!!!!
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Yeah, right ... because it is so wrong to respond to the invasions by a religion that had been on the offensive against Christianity for nearly five centuries!!! GOOD GRIEF!!!
 
Algeria
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Bangladesh
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Egypt
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Iraq
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Syria
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I have many other photos and Muslim countries.
So ....
Next lie Ric?
Oh this is fun, correcting your delusions.
 
Laila said:
This is the stupidest post I have read so far in this thread.
And there has been ALOT of stupid posts on this topic.

I just can't ... :lamo
Oh I do love these forums sometimes

Its nice to know prejudices are still alive even 9 years after an event where apparently all Muslims are being held responsible for it.
I'm assuming I can now hold all Americans responsible for every death that has occurred. Well great.
Because Americans have killed way more Muslims than the 3,000 we have apparently all killed.
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It is NOT a stupid post. Pointing out that Muslims expect others to be tolerant towards them when they themselves not only have a long history of intolerance but still practice it is not stupid. It isn't the fault of Christianity that Islam is engaged in a nearly fourteen-century long war against Christians, Christianity, and Christian kingdoms and states...
 
ludahai said:
It is NOT a stupid post. Pointing out that Muslims expect others to be tolerant towards them when they themselves not only have a long history of intolerance but still practice it is not stupid. It isn't the fault of Christianity that Islam is engaged in a nearly fourteen-century long war against Christians, Christianity, and Christian kingdoms and states...
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Let's not do the whole Christianity is the oh so poor victim to Muslims aggression because that is just hilarious to the nth degree.

And here comes the second delusion always wheeled out by Christians.
That somehow Christianity has always been tolerant.
I mean, I don't know who whitewashed history but Christians in history have been anything but tolerant.

Quit acting like Christians have any moral ground to preach at Muslims when it comes to bloodshed and war
 
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Jetboogieman said:
Come on guys, this isn't about Islam vs. Christianity, which is what alot of threads are turning into.

The issue at hand is the construction of this community centre with a mosque inside.

The law allows them to build this place without hindrance. Emotions of people says they shouldn't. Public opinion says they shouldn't.

There's no winning, there will be no compromise here.
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Really? There are no zoning laws in New York?
 
Laila said:
There are many Churches and Synagogues in Muslim countries.
Some of the oldest in the world are in *shock horror* Muslim countries
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Oldest in the world means squat

Saudi Arabia: No churches unless prophet Mohammed recognised, says expert - Adnkronos Religion

Saudi Arabia: No churches unless prophet Mohammed recognised, says expert

While Saudi mediators are working with the Vatican on negotiations to allow places of religious worship, some experts believe it will not occur without this recognition.
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ric27 said:
Tell me, Mister Jetboogieman... Are there any problems building a Christian Cathedral or a Jewish Synagogue in a Muslim nation? When they say no problem, then I won't be able to object to Mosques. When Christian missionaries have free access to preach and proselytize, and converts aren't slaughtered, then I'll consider allowing freedom of religion to include Islam.
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It depends upon the country, but there are many Muslim countries in which you can't or it is very difficult to do so. In Indonesia, you can build a Christian church openly and with relatively little hinderance, but sadly, Indonesia is the exception rather than the rule among prominent Islamic countries...
 
Laila said:
Seriously?
So Non Catholics will be going heaven?
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I had a discussion about this with my priest quite some time ago. Catholic teaching has a place called purgatory. There is a prominent line of Catholic thought in which any and all who earnestly seek the light and will of God will have a chance to be redeemed in Heaven through the sacrifice of Jesus. After all, God loves us so much, why would He exclude so easily and casually 75% of the human population>
 
ric27 said:
Oldest in the world means squat

Saudi Arabia: No churches unless prophet Mohammed recognised, says expert - Adnkronos Religion

Saudi Arabia: No churches unless prophet Mohammed recognised, says expert
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You attempting to use Saudi Arabia is just amusing.
Considering it is unique in its harshness of nature as it has the two holy cities in its country and it is just crazy.
And two, it is Arabs speaking who make up 15% of the Muslim population.

And well done at ignoring the fact there are Churches in Muslim countries.
 
Laila said:
Let's not do the whole Christianity is the oh so poor victim to Muslims aggression because that is just hilarious to the nth degree.

And here comes the second delusion always wheeled out by Christians.
That somehow Christianity has always been tolerant.
I mean, I don't know who whitewashed history but Christians in history have been anything but tolerant.

Quit acting like Christians have any moral ground to preach at Muslims when it comes to bloodshed and war
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I never claimed that all Christians have been tolerant at all times in history. And, there are examples of very tolerant Islamic leaders. Saladin and Shah Akbar come to mind. However, I would note that the fourteen centuries of conflict between Christianity and Islam were initiated by Islamic aggression against Christian kingdoms and Christian lands.
 
ludahai said:
I had a discussion about this with my priest quite some time ago. Catholic teaching has a place called purgatory. There is a prominent line of Catholic thought in which any and all who earnestly seek the light and will of God will have a chance to be redeemed in Heaven through the sacrifice of Jesus. After all, God loves us so much, why would He exclude so easily and casually 75% of the human population>
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Awe-some :peace

No one knows who is going to heaven in Islam 'cause you know we're not God but if a person is good enough to go to heaven but was never exposed to Islam and had not known about it, Allah will show mercy.
 
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ludahai said:
I never claimed that all Christians have been tolerant at all times in history. And, there are examples of very tolerant Islamic leaders. Saladin and Shah Akbar come to mind. However, I would note that the fourteen centuries of conflict between Christianity and Islam were initiated by Islamic aggression against Christian kingdoms and Christian lands.
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I don't accept that but you can believe that if you want. I don't mind.
It's not like it is happening now anyway.
 
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